65" 4K HDR TV - under £2k

andybird123 · 9 Oct 2017 at 13:48

Looking to buy a new TV and currently weighing up the options.

Shortlist at the moment stands at;

Samsung 65KS9500
Samsung 65KS9000
Panasonic - if I could find a 65DX902B I would be interested, but can only find 65EX750B and not sure how this really stacks up

needs to be under 2k and preferably available on 0% for a year to sneak it past the missus

from what I can find, this years samsung Qdot are not as good as last years, but open to suggestions

also just spotted the sony XE9305 for £2200, so guess I could stretch if it is worth it?

andybird123 · 9 Oct 2017 at 14:11

hornetstinger said:
Personally I'd go for a smaller, higher quality TV- OLED, rather than larger and (IMO crap quality) Samsung LED backlight LCD.
I think the Samsung panels are good, but the electronics and software behind them are pretty damn buggy.

You should be able to get a 50" OLED at or under £2k

not an option, my living room is 4m wide so viewing distance is at least 3m and a 50" would look silly in the 70" hole the current 60" TV sits in

50" would mean we'd have to sit on the floor in front of the TV to get any benefit from going to 4k, so no point

we currently have a plasma based off internet "experts" saying they are better but we've been very dissapointed with the brightness with anything other than watching it at night with all the lights off and oled seems to be a similar kettle of fish at the moment

andybird123 · 10 Oct 2017 at 07:40

Boge said:
We've just ordered a Sony KD-65XE9305. John Lewis recently dropped the price to £2199 (was £2500 a couple of months ago). There's also a free Sony UHD Bluray player thrown in (or a soundbar worth £369).

I was just looking at the same deal funnily enough.

andybird123 · 10 Oct 2017 at 08:09

hornetstinger said:
tbh once looking at 65" I'd go with a PJ. With my 50" plasma the size will be a problem to fit in a room in the perfect place, so I think drop down screen would work better, and should get a larger image than 65" for your money.

I have a wall mount and recessed area for the tv already which is 70" and already has a 60" TV in it so 65" will fit perfect. Consequently we dont have space in the same area to fit a drop down. If a plasma or oled TV isnt bright enough for normal day use then I'm pretty sure a projector is going to struggle aswell. Our living room is an extension of the house so it was designed from the get go to be able to house a large TV in the perfect place for the long sofa on the opposite wall.

If I ever get round to converting the garage to a games/movies room then yeah, but not for primary family use in the day room.

andybird123 · 10 Oct 2017 at 18:46

Boge said:
Woah. Good luck with lifting up a 65XE9305 to wall mount if you buy one. It's a heavy beast.

We're sitting ours on a Yamaha YRS1000 sound bar stand that we bought 5 years ago. Sounds rubbish but it's inkeeping with the room and is the right height (550mm)

Its actually a few hundred grams lighter than the plasma that is up there now - yes its a 2 man job to swap them over

andybird123 · 10 Oct 2017 at 19:13

Boge said:
Good to know. You bought one then?

Not yet, just when you said that I checked the weights on what we have and the sony to compare

andybird123 · 11 Oct 2017 at 07:34

The existing tv is heavier and 60", i can't see it being any more difficult with 2 hefty lads on he job. I can lift the existing TV down on my own if needs be, its just putting it back up is too fiddly to get the wall mount lined up.

andybird123 · 11 Oct 2017 at 09:14

Paul11 said:
65DX902B

there is a 58 version for sale in the MM

yeah, can find quite a few of the 58, but really want a 65 to make the most of going to UHD

andybird123 · 11 Oct 2017 at 12:15

crinkleshoes said:
If you can convince yourself to stretch your budget by £500-800... you can get last years 65" OLED for ~£2500 and the 2017 model for £2800.

I have the 55" Samsung KS8000 and it was a good upgrade.

Not interested in oled yet - too many problems and similar to the plasma we have now the brightness isn't really there for every day use - would rather give them more time to work out the issues and when the TV comes up for upgrade again in 4-5 years take another look then, the extra money doesn't justify the extra risks with little to no benefit for mostly how we use the telly

andybird123 · 11 Oct 2017 at 20:19

crinkleshoes said:
Brightness is no issue... I have a bright living room and watched some content at lunch today and brightness wasn't far off my 1000nit Samsung... viewing was comfortable with sunlight blaring through the windows.

As for panel issues, they have been mostly ironed out on TVs with September or newer build date... buy from a good company like Richer Sounds and you'd have no issues with returns... they're no more likely to have a fault than the others you're considering.

Go an look at one in a store with lights brighter than your home environment and you'll see it's no issue...

I'm not buying an oled that is still at least 30% over budget and has longevity issues, and at half the nits of the Sony - I have been in store to check out some, hence the shortlist in the opening post being devoid of oled

hornetstinger said:
You shouldn't be watching it in a conservatory anyway.

Don't have a conservatory, not sure what you are on about?
If you just mean I should close the curtains to watch TV all the time then I assume you don't have a family and are happy to sit alone in the dark to watch TV

Even if we did, not sure its anyone's lookout to tell me where I should or shouldn't watch TV.

andybird123 · 12 Oct 2017 at 07:56

Absorbentsolid said:
Hey OP i hope i can help by shedding some of my experience!

thanks for the info on the samsung, I'm am edging more and more towards the Sony
I've had nothing but issues with 2 of our LG TV's so not likely to give them another shout either

What you're saying about black levels though just sends up warning signs... our plasma looks great at night or with the curtains closed, but that isn't how we watch the TV 90% of the time, so its horses for courses.

And even if the oled is bright enough for daytime viewing, it sill isn't magically under £2k for a 65"

this is what is really putting me off oled for now;
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/42511-oled-suffers-from-burn-in-effect

having read loads of horror stories of people's oled's turning crap and not getting warranty support from LG, there is just no chance I'm taking that risk, I'll wait for it to become proven and reasonable in price

andybird123 · 12 Oct 2017 at 11:00

crinkleshoes said:
If you're keen on using the in-built streaming apps... the Panasonic's interface is terrible - I bought one for my Grandmother, but she doesn't use that side of the TV. The Sony isn't much better.

The Samsung interface is a pleasure to use - almost as good as WebOS on the LG.

useful, thanks

even ignoring the brightness, I can't justify the extra cost or risk for TV's that are widely reported to go crap after less than a year and waiting for 2018 models that will jump straight back up to £4k+ tp avoid the issues

the LG's we have now the interface was great when we first got it, but with successive updates it has gotten worse and worse and now amazon and youtube routinely crash out and have to be reset, so LG are completely off my radar for the foreseeable anyway

andybird123 · 12 Oct 2017 at 12:50

they still aren't under £2k for a 65inch though, no amount of arguing is going to make that true and widespread reports of them going bad

ordered the sony now anyway so its pretty moot

andybird123 · 12 Oct 2017 at 13:11

crinkleshoes said:
6 year warranty with Richer Sounds means I'm not bothered if it breaks in the 6 year period

The reason we're pushing it is the massive upgrade that the "little" extra money it is over the models you were after.

But nevermind - enjoy the Sony.

thats the problem, LG are not admitting that losing massive amounts of blue and green calibration is a warranty issue, having had my own issues with what I regard TV breaking faults and LG not honouring warranty its not a risk I am prepared to take

and their view on burn-in is that you should use your oled "responsibly", so if you do get burn in it isn't covered as they will just blame you for using stuff with menus or whatever for too long

nearly a grand over a £2k budget isn't what I would call "little"

and I still wouldn't ever buy an LG again having already been caught out by their non-warranty

andybird123 · 12 Oct 2017 at 15:25

pioneer2000 said:
Your choice then is clearly a Samsung MU / KS / QF if you want to get value for money (QF less so) and a very competitive picture, or a FAD tv, like Panasonic / Sony offer.

I personally went KS8000 as i'm using it in a brightly lit lounge setting (so LED brightness was best), on a catilever stand (so the weight of a FAD was a problem), primarily with an Xbox One / Sky Q (so it's often paused / on static display, so OLED wasn't worth risking).

You seem unfazed by the weight of a FAD and don't want image retention, nor want to spend an excessive amount... so a middle of the range FAD sounds a good fit.

Thanks, i went for the sony as it included a UHD player and 0% finance which made it an easier sell to the missus

Reading, its not actually full array but edgelit but with some really clever tricks it scores better in reviews than most other full array ones

andybird123 · 12 Oct 2017 at 16:51

Chris1712 said:
You could get a 65ZD9, but personally I'd go for OLED probably B7V/C7V depending on style.

not for under £2k you can't
I also don't want to suffer through burn-in / loss of blue issues and LG being completely useless when it comes to warranty

have ordered the sony XE930

Absorbentsolid said:
Enjoy it and please keep us updated on how you get on with it.

Will do. Should be here some time next week.

andybird123 · 12 Oct 2017 at 17:46

crinkleshoes said:
If I have any issues, I won't be dealing with LG - I'll be dealing with Richer Sounds - my 6 year warranty is with RS, not LG.

You might want to re-read the warranty - you may well be dealing with the manufacturer and Richer Sounds will only cover panel defects in line with what the manufacturers warranty would cover. It basically covers catastrophic failure, it doesn't really cover dead pixels, burn-in or calibration drift any more than the manufacturers warranty does.

andybird123 · 13 Oct 2017 at 12:39

wow, some people really take purchase justification to a whole new level, I'm glad people are happy with their purchases no matter how little relation it bears to the requirements posted in the OP, and completely ignoring the reports of burn in and colour shift within 12 months

andybird123 · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:22

VincentHanna said:
I'm not ignoring anything.

I've had mine for 10 months and regularly have a PC Desktop background on it, play PC games, Xbox games, Switch games, PS4 Pro games etc for hours at a time and have never had image retention or burn in.

Not yet noticed any colour shifting either, but like you say - maybe early days.

they still aren't under 2k for 65 inch though, are they, and you can't say it isn't a risk factor, given how widespread the reports are

andybird123 · 14 Oct 2017 at 10:41

deuse said:
https://www.avforums.com/threads/oled-screen-burn.2056624/ 8 pages
https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-oled-image-retention.2121395/ oled 65 inch
https://www.avforums.com/threads/oled-image-retention.2005177/ yet another one
https://www.avforums.com/threads/oled-b6-is-this-normal.2108113/#post-25162044 another with video proof

Thanks. There's also lots of people talking about losing a specific colour like mostly blue and even green, which isnt burnin/image retention its the blue pixels gradually losing intensity at a much faster rate throwing thw whole image/calibration off over time.

Combat Fighter said:
Utter **** your talking.

I’m regularly in the avforums B6 thread and nobody talks about burn in.

I’ve been using my 65” B6 with zero issues.

Even if that were true (see above), that still doesnt make them under £2k for a 65 inch as per my requirements in the OP and thread title. Its a completely pointless argument anyway.

I dont get how anyone can suggest a 50% over budget suggestion is going to get taken in any way seriously.

jpaul said:
so, indulge us, what was the best reference you found substantiating this

See above. I dont have to justify anything to you, the tv in question is 50% over my budget so it is instantly discounted, i dont care how good it is. Add to that *I* have seen enough info to cause *me* not to want to overspend my budget by 50% whilst also taking that risk.