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6870 is here! for £170, WTF?? HELP!!

I'm fairly well known on various IRC channels, ingame channels, where I work, people I do IT stuff for, etc. etc. for knowing a bit about PC stuff.

Invariable with new GPU releases the topic comes up on various chat networks in games, etc.
 
Rroff said:
I'm fairly well known on various IRC channels, ingame channels, where I work, people I do IT stuff for, etc. etc. for knowing a bit about PC stuff.

Invariable with new GPU releases the topic comes up on various chat networks in games, etc.
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Ooh, a bit of fame to go with your Physics expertise. :o :p
 
Rroff said:
I'm fairly well known on various IRC channels, ingame channels, where I work, people I do IT stuff for, etc. etc. for knowing a bit about PC stuff.

Invariable with new GPU releases the topic comes up on various chat networks in games, etc.
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So, surely you've negated your own point, as the people interested in buying new gfx chips would either do some research or ask someone that knows?
 
Not really - those people happened to ask - not every one will - you can't pigeon hole your average consumer down to that level.

EDIT: Infact they probably only asked due to the nature of the conversation - to be fair most of them didn't approach me directly but asked in a public channel - my point is the naming is confusing at best.
 
Rroff said:
Not really - those people happened to ask - not every one will - you can't pigeon hole your average consumer down to that level.
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Roff i would not bother any more, these people are not going to admit to ATI doing anything dubious.(Every company does it in some shape or form, apart from ATI. In the real world it is known as marketing)
 
Rroff said:
Not really - those people happened to ask - not every one will - you can't pigeon hole your average consumer down to that level.

EDIT: Infact they probably only asked due to the nature of the conversation - to be fair most of them didn't approach me directly but asked in a public channel - my point is the naming is confusing at best.
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Oh, I totally agree that the naming is confusing, and maybe they should have put a tad more thought into it. However, I don't think it's the end of the world, and the sort of people that upgrade gfx cards are exactly the sort of people that would look on google or ask their "friend that knows", which just about renders the problem moot.
 
Stanners said:
Roff i would not bother any more, these people are not going to admit to ATI doing anything dubious.(Every company does it in some shape or form, apart from ATI. In the real world it is known as marketing)
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id advise they all not bother anymore, no-ones backing down, its just going round in circles and helps nobody
 
The change in numbering convention is a bit confusing but you can still make an argument to say that the 6870 is an upgrade over the 5870 if not in performance but in terms of features – 4 way monitor support, 3D Blu-ray, improved IQ, improved AA amongst other things. For some people that may be a reason to switch at the expense of a few FPS.
 
Stanners said:
Roff i would not bother any more, these people are not going to admit to ATI doing anything dubious.(Every company does it in some shape or form, apart from ATI. In the real world it is known as marketing)
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I think you're arguing a point that none of us are. It's not about ATi (who don't exist) can't do any bad, it's about the effects of the naming scheme. People need to stop going on about "Average Joe" "Average Consumer". The high end graphics card industry is a fairly niche area. The "Average Joe" of such a niche is relatively knowledgeable compared to general "Average Joe".

The point being argued is that it makes no sense for AMD to come up with this naming scheme solely to confuse people in to buying a 6870 thinking it's an upgrade because people buying 6870s are going to know what they're buying. Come on, AMD know their target audience will know what they want to buy.

It's regularly getting compared to what nVidia did with the G92 core because they actually tried to cover up the fact that they were rebranding them multiple times. They threatened review websites with black listing, stopping them from being able to review nVidia cards, and so on, if they spoke about the rebranding.

Everyone else just buys prebuilt systems.
 
Freddie1980 said:
The change in numbering convention is a bit confusing but you can still make an argument to say that the 6870 is an upgrade over the 5870 if not in performance but in terms of features – 4 way monitor support, 3D Blu-ray, improved IQ, improved AA amongst other things. For some people that may be a reason to switch at the expense of a few FPS.
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That'd be clutching at straws a bit really. The bottom line is the price, A 6870 is nearly half the price of a 5870.
 
Hmmm, DX11 + Tessellation performance still seems to be a bit behind on the 6850 / 6870 cards:



Civ V on maximum settings which uses tessellated terrains sees exactly the same kind of performance comparison that you get in Heaven benchmark with extreme tessellation. The 768 Mb GTX 460 is giving better performance with DX11 + Tessellation than the 5870 + 6870, and the 6870 isnt managing any better than the 5870 (6870 was supposedly meant to have improved tessellation performance).

Crossfire is scaling a lot better than SLI though, I looked at Civ V as a comparison because its one of the few games so far that use tessellation and its what I'm playing.
 
AMD seem to be relying on getting people to opptimise their tessellation input so that output falls in the medium level that AMD's new GPUs work best at.
 
I find the idea of an 'average joe' so clueless that they dont know what they're buying spending £200 on a graphics card a little ridiculous! Even my friends who dont care much about hardcore gaming and might upgrade to something reasonable only every 5 years or so will do some research or ask me/someone else knowledgable at the very least.

I think genuine confusion about these new cards simply wont exist among anyone who is a potential purchaser. To suggest the naming could actually be a strategy by AMD to mislead people into a purchase is simply insane.
 
bhavv said:
Hmmm, DX11 + Tessellation performance still seems to be a bit behind on the 6850 / 6870 cards:



Civ V on maximum settings which uses tessellated terrains sees exactly the same kind of performance comparison that you get in Heaven benchmark with extreme tessellation. The 768 Mb GTX 460 is giving better performance with DX11 + Tessellation than the 5870 + 6870, and the 6870 isnt managing any better than the 5870 (6870 was supposedly meant to have improved tessellation performance).

Crossfire is scaling a lot better than SLI though, I looked at Civ V as a comparison because its one of the few games so far that use tessellation and its what I'm playing.
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The thing is, it could be just a game that doesn't work well with AMD architecture, like Farcry 2.
Does the 6870 outperform the 460 with tessellation disabled?

p.s. SLI scaling doesn't look so hot in this games, Nvidia really need to fix their drivers! :p
 
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