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6870 is here! for £170, WTF?? HELP!!

Doesn't sound like you've had much experience of the average consumer... they are as likely to go out and buy the first thing that takes their fancy as they are to ask someone more experienced for help... and even then they seem to think they know better than someone more experienced when it really comes down to it.

You can't typify the average consumer by saying they won't buy a new toy/gadget every year - they are all different in habit.
 
Regardless of how we feel this naming scheme will do what AMD intended - get more people to buy their cards. The number of people I come across that are supposedly into computers and yet don't realise that the amount of memory on a graphics card is not as important as the chipset is quite surprising. It took a while to convince a housemate that my old 8800GT was faster than his 9600GT - I had to actually swap the graphics cards over to demonstrate. And this was someone that went around proclaiming his computer skills.

At the end of the day people need to research their purchases before putting down their money. But it doesn't help when companies like AMD, that had a previously good track record, pull crap like this. As bad as nVidia? Not yet.
 
Its not an assumption as i build PCs for the average consumer.

Average consumer does not go & by a gfx card to install them self they will get one else who knows what they are doing & more than likely they have already asked that person about the upgrade.

The 1 dimensional thinking is coming from you as the PC is not in a typical consumers new toy every year gadgets or utility appliance category.

Doesn't sound like you've had much experience of the average consumer... they are as likely to go out and buy the first thing that takes their fancy as they are to ask someone more experienced for help... and even then they seem to think they know better than someone more experienced when it really comes down to it.

You can't typify the average consumer by saying they won't buy a new toy/gadget every year - they are all different in habit.

And read what i said again.

I didn't say that they wouldn't buy new toy/gadget every year but they don't buy new PCs or gfx upgrade every year unless your Apple consumer.
 
Forget the naming farce, i was prepared to go to an amd card, (6870), went for a 470 gtx instead, the new ati range just didnt convince me at all, overclocking on them isnt very worthwhile, (something ive heard of with the 5 series as well), prefer to stick with nvidia again this time.
 
As I said it might not look quite so bad to enthusiasts but to people less clued up the effect is just the same... they buy something and don't get what they thought they were getting.
 
As I said it might not look quite so bad to enthusiasts but to people less clued up the effect is just the same... they buy something and don't get what they thought they were getting.

What they thought they where getting as compared to what ?
They are getting what they paid for as simple as that.

If they thought that what they were getting was an upgrade to what they had before then the system would be about a year old & someone who likes to upgrade such parts as regularly as that has a clue as to read reviews about such things on-line.

And the pre builds like dell ect.. for the clueless are not selling those parts with there systems.
 
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What is wrong with this site & the regular posters???!!! someone posts a question....it would be nice all round if answers were related & constructive.

Instead, time after time you have to wade thru page after page of nothing more than ego bitching back & forth between the long term members. Explains why post counts are so high. I don't know any other site with such immaturity. Get a grip comes to mind.
 
Either way you look at it your average Joe will look at the 6870 and figure it faster than a 5870, crazy naming scheme.

The average "joe" isn't going to have a 5870, people need to stop thinking they will. There a load of people who consider themselves "in to" computers and PC gaming who think the amount of RAM your graphics card has, determines its performance as well as thinking £100 cards are high end.

Let's not try to pretend otherwise. Average "joe" knows absolutely nothing about graphics cards.

Another thing people seem to be struggling to understand is that while it looks backwards on AMD's behalf, they're restructuring their graphics card line, it doesn't seem like this is just a one off and when the 7 series is out, they'll do something completely different with the names. They've seemingly wanted to change the naming scheme around a bit anyway, look at the 4870X2 and then the 5970.

It's clear the intention isn't to mislead people in to buying a card with the same performance, just think about it, if they wanted to change the naming scheme, how do they do it?

A 6870 uses a different GPU to a 5870, it's set in a difference place than the 5870 now. Comparing it to all the revisions the G92 chip went through is misleading because it was clear that was nVidia's intentions. With the rebadge, came a new, higher price.

The amount of confusion of it as well, and then the black listing of sites who called nVidia out on the fact that a GTS250 was a renamed 8800GT. Just think about how many times G92 has been renamed and shoved in to a load of different products, and how the price often went up each time. That's not taking in to account the non-G92 rebrands as well, like the 6 different 9600 named cards.
 
Isn't the difference like 5-10% tops anyways which is going to even out with drivers ???

You're all ****** like it was 30-50% slower. For it's price it's an excellent card and overall the difference is not big enough to moan about it. Not that it matters anyways.

Avarage joe is getting 2-4fps less which he isn't even going to notice on his 17" monitor, with time he'll get better performance with future drivers, he gets better xfire scaling and more new features.
 
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As I said it might not look quite so bad to enthusiasts but to people less clued up the effect is just the same... they buy something and don't get what they thought they were getting.

I can see your point. There are many numbnuts who may think that certain things in life are certain. On the other hand, I cannot think of many who follow other path than "I have £150 to spend on graphics card, wat do?". On the other hand you have to remember that 5800 will eventually disappear from the shelves and having 6800 at such low prices actually makes sense for both AMD and the customers.
 
Isn't the difference like 5-10% tops anyways which is going to even out with drivers ???

You're all ****** like it was 30-50% slower. For it's price it's an excellent card and overall the difference is not big enough to moan about it. Not that it matters anyways.

Avarage joe is getting 2-4fps less which he isn't even going to notice on his 17" monitor, with time he'll get better performance with future drivers, he gets better xfire scaling and more new features.

"Average Joe" won't be using a 5870, never mind Crossfire.
 
Any peasant leaving off benefits can save up for their dream card these days :p

I don't mean money wise. :p "Average Joe" is the type of person who can't get their head around the difference between storage and RAM.

"I baught dis orsome compootah from the PC world like, dey sed its got lyk a terrybite of RAM, thats ded fast innit?"

Put it this way, I've known people who have called themselves "IT Technicians" who though an 8500GT was top of the range, and the 512MB of RAM it had meant it was "really fast". They also thought 1024x768 was high res. "Average Joe" literally understands nothing about computers, and thinks it's too complex, they think it takes an engineer to put together a PC.
 
wow this is really a big issue for people.... i might make another thread, because for me... I think, as one other person has said, its the best card on the market for £170, by a mile, so I dont care what AMD have done, exept thyve made a good product and im gonna love it. I know the confusion now, and it didnt change my choice in buying.

YES it was confusing, and the person who said "its the people with the lack of knowledge who were confused" is right and wrong... Yes because of course your gonna be confused... would have confused that poster at 1st too, or he wouldnt be writing about it... and also no because people with the best, or even minmal knowledge of the ATI cards and their branding/naming will assume they will outperfrom cards they're replacing. Its a higher number, which is where the knowledge comes in - Im going to *UP*grade my cpu from an amd 955 to an amd 9550, even a complete noob with no knowledge of phenom II architecture would know

Can anyone here tell me im doing the right thing by choosing an asrock 890 mobo board (which is supposedly x8x8 at 16?

thanks!!
 
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