7/7 Opinions

Teki187 said:
9/11 has so much background to support remote demolition until you can bring hard evidence to prove otherwse.

It has a teenager on a computer, that's hardly 'so much background'. I do have some evidence that it wasn't controlled demolition... numerous footage of a plane going into the tower.
 
The video is as much a diatribe against the governments' strengthened 'anti-terror' legislation and the apparent curbs to civil liberties as it is any factual expose as to what went on that day, in fact probably more so.

I find it hard to take it seriously when it makes so many snide comments about Blair, repeated comdemnation of the Iraq war, the Hutton enquiry, and the shooting of Charles de Menezes, Forest Gate, the Heathrow terror alerts, and so on, which are at best tertiary issues to what the video sets out to show - which is the flaws in the 'official story'.

This heavily politicised tone is not that of a serious documentary maker IMHO. Then theres the appeal that 'a rational person can only come to the conclusion that we're being deceived', in an attempt to re-enforce his argument by suggesting that unless you believe him you're somehow irrational. If the strength of his argument would stand on its own, why would the documentary maker adopt such a tone?

The bloke contradicts himself somewhat a bit too - early in the film he completely discredits the eye witness account of a guy who saw one of the bombers on the train, because the guy sold his story to the papers six months afterwards, and as such is unreliable, then later on in the film bemoans the lack of eye witnesses to the bombers as proof of some cover up :rolleyes:

I find the narrators voice is deeply annoying too :o

It raises some interesting points, for sure, and the civil liberties issues are something to be concerned with, but as an expose of some sort of conspiracy it falls flat IMHO, being overly politicised and is in itself as much based on hearsay and allegation as any official report of the event that it seeks to criticise.
 
Spacky said:
Good point.

He basically said something along the lines of 'Saudi Arabia has no morals and no religion and can't be trusted as they are also friendly with America'

That is a stupid thing to say, Saudi has appaulling human rights records as you will find in most Islamic country, they dont allow other religion as you would expect of islam stance, they hate homos and threat woman in a way we see as not right...again this is islam. They have plenty of oil so it is bound there is some sort of friendship between them and America. :p
Perhaps the person just want an all out sharia-practising-state which imo is impossible..my 10p :)
 
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add to that list Will: "Taking out of context".

Such as the presenter stating the author had not seen the raw material, he then picks out 3 or 4 words from a few lines, therefore twisting it to suit him.
 
Plane that apparantly was flown by terrorists and the passengers which where able to make mobile phone calls from within the plane, yet 6 years after and easyjet are introducing the first world wide plane service allowing you to make mobile phone calls from within a plane?
 
Teki187 said:
Plane that apparantly was flown by terrorists and the passengers which where able to make mobile phone calls from within the plane, yet 6 years after and easyjet are introducing the first world wide plane service allowing you to make mobile phone calls from within a plane?

You started this thread on 7/7 now you want to take it to 9/11? :confused:

There are many other 9/11 threads but not on 7/7.
 
Teki187 said:
Plane that apparantly was flown by terrorists and the passengers which where able to make mobile phone calls from within the plane, yet 6 years after and easyjet are introducing the first world wide plane service allowing you to make mobile phone calls from within a plane?

Ok.. how do you know that then? Heard it on a Google Video documentary? ;)
 
Hang on - what is the point in this documentary? He bangs on about how there's no proof it was them etc., but bombs did go off - who actually did do it?

It doesn't make any sense.
 
Teki187 said:
yet 6 years after and easyjet are introducing the first world wide plane service allowing you to make mobile phone calls from within a plane?

Allowing you to make calls from thousands of feet in the air, the passengers made the calls when the plane was lower, plus, there are phones on planes...
 
no from personal experiance of trying to make a phone call at cruising and landing altitudes on Orange and getting zero signal, this is while OVER land.
 
iCraig said:
The government obviously. The government is always to blame.


Hmmm i was thinking more along the lines of Blaming the muslims... :p this thread is a joke. The op cant be serious.
 
$loth said:
Allowing you to make calls from thousands of feet in the air, the passengers made the calls when the plane was lower, plus, there are phones on planes...

Passengers famillies specifically said they where called from there loved ones mobiles.
 
Teki187 said:
no from personal experiance of trying to make a phone call at cruising and landing altitudes on Orange and getting zero signal, this is while OVER land.

..and this was the same American Airliner that was used in the attacks?

Because you can't really say it's personal experience if it wasn't.
 
jonarob said:
Hang on - what is the point in this documentary? He bangs on about how there's no proof it was them etc., but bombs did go off - who actually did do it?

It doesn't make any sense.
He's just pointing out that the generally accepted version of events as told to us by the authorities and media, does not have strong evidence to support itself, and there are discrepancies in the story.

The video makes many good and broader points about what is happening in this country, and I have learned about the Inquiries Act 2005 which I didn't previously know about.
 
Will said:
It raises some interesting points, for sure, and the civil liberties issues are something to be concerned with, but as an expose of some sort of conspiracy it falls flat IMHO, being overly politicised and is in itself as much based on hearsay and allegation as any official report of the event that it seeks to criticise.
My view exactly. Watching it was a waste of half an hour.
 
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