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7700K Delid-30c cooler!

How hard can it be? Does intel not read the reviews/user requests of their past products?

They really have got their feet up.
 
Pretty much same business with 6700k, 20c drop in temp if I recall correctly. Might buy a delid tool when I rebuild my pc...
 
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If there is any truth in this sounds Intel have screwed up on the TIM again.
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They haven't screwed up, just purposely put another limiting factor on overclocking that gives enthusiasts another reason to be forced to switch to the even more overpriced x99 platform (or else risk voiding their warranty).

Sad thing is, if you pay extra for the unlocked K non-enthusiast chip, you can't get the most out of it without voiding your warranty, and we've had three generations of this nonsense. It's even more of a travesty than the minimal IPC increases, in my opinion.

I'm sure they were cackling like demons at us when they released "Devil's Canyon" with its supposed "next-generation polymer thermal interface material" and slapping a blue flaming monster head on the box. Tests showed there was barely an improvement in heat dissipation worth mentioning and yet just because it had a higher base clock, people were actually "upgrading" within the same generation (4770k to 4790k). It was relatively easy to overclock 4770k to match 4790k performance. If not, you could get close enough. Oh, and let's not forget that Intel was rumoured to be speed binning 4770k silicon to be set aside exclusively for 4790k chips in the later stages of the 4770k's life. Another despicable tactic, if true.

Anyway, either they stopped using the "next-generation" TIM, or it turned out to not be good enough if there's no performance increase with Kaby Lake and yet they're overheating when overclocking (which the K versions are supposedly designed for).
 
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This must be a deliberate tactic. Why would a giant like Intel hire engineers that can't improve cooling when there is a 20-30°C difference there for the taking? I'd expect to be sacked on the spot!
 
For me, Prime95 Small FFTs is the gold standard in testing overclock stability, as OCCT and IBT pass at 5Ghz 1.36v where as P95 does not. Prime95 also produces the most heat - for these reasons, i feel it better tests the max load conditions (BF1 only gets temps to around 65 degrees).
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Goon. The gold standard in goons degrading CPUs


Troezar said:
This must be a deliberate tactic. Why would a giant like Intel hire engineers that can't improve cooling when there is a 20-30°C difference there for the taking? I'd expect to be sacked on the spot!
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Design elements change, as well as longevity. Reasons well above your pay grade
 
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Silent_Scone said:
Goon. The gold standard in goons degrading CPUs




Design elements change, as well as longevity. Reasons well above your pay grade
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I agree with point 1 - good way to fry your cpu for no reason, gave up using P95 a long time ago. There are many more useful ways of testing stability without risking frying the cpu.
 
They should start selling Naked Die CPU's again, but provide durable shims like people used back in the days to protect the CPU die from cracking.

They pretty much do it with GPU's, they have an integrated shim to prevent the GPU being crushed. It would be a good step in fixing thermals and reduce the cost of materials compared to a full faced IHS.
 
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I have visited Intel they have an entire department investigating OC. They take it very seriouly K-SKU is worth almost one billion dollars a year to them and most of it not X Platform.

They have there reasons why they use the TIM they do which ofcourse are under NDA . Its not like they are not trying to improve this area. 100% they are and I was very impressed with the internal OC testing all the way upto LN2 cooling.

Those on X99 BW-E CPU already have AVX offset to stop AVX prime etc frying and degrading CPUs etc Intel themselves see AVX stress testing as not necessary at full clocks because of crazy heat and power draw and hence introduced the AVX offset

Intel have XTU for synthetic testing, with improrved versions coming very soon too to stress upto 128gb of memory, Realbench is also great as it stresses all controllers and can be set to also use all system RAM.

I suggest just use your PC to see if its stable for what you need is always the best formula.

Maybe there is a gap in the market for someone to start selling Binned and Delided CPU with full warranty ??:)
 
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I would still like to go back to naked Die days but with an integrated shim. You can't beat having that direct contact with the CPU Die for Heat transfer.
 
I know how it works man. I was doing exactly that on old Duron and Athlon Xp with phase change cooling.

IHS is just as good as direct die with correct paste and no chance to kill the core. Shims unless they are too high for perfect contact do not gaurentee the core will not be damaged. While delid tool and IHS replaced with different TIM has zero statistical effect on RMA.
 
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If this isn't an artificial engineering limit put in place by Intel, their tim/IHS solution is pretty bad given this temperature delta in the article imo.
 
8 Pack said:
I have visited Intel they have an entire department investigating OC. They take it very seriouly K-SKU is worth almost one billion dollars a year to them and most of it not X Platform.

They have there reasons why they use the TIM they do which ofcourse are under NDA . Its not like they are not trying to improve this area. 100% they are and I was very impressed with the internal OC testing all the way upto LN2 cooling.
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are they hiring? :D that is probably my dream job. i bet they have special es xeons with 22 cores that are unlocked and all kinds of crazy stuff :cool:
 
Ofcourse I can't comment on what they have in the OC lab at Intel.

But it is very interesting and they are doing a lot of internal testing. a lot more than most give them credit for.
 
8 Pack said:
I have visited Intel they have an entire department investigating OC. They take it very seriouly K-SKU is worth almost one billion dollars a year to them and most of it not X Platform.

They have there reasons why they use the TIM they do which ofcourse are under NDA . Its not like they are not trying to improve this area. 100% they are and I was very impressed with the internal OC testing all the way upto LN2 cooling.

Those on X99 BW-E CPU already have AVX offset to stop AVX prime etc frying and degrading CPUs etc Intel themselves see AVX stress testing as not necessary at full clocks because of crazy heat and power draw and hence introduced the AVX offset

Intel have XTU for synthetic testing, with improrved versions coming very soon too to stress upto 128gb of memory, Realbench is also great as it stresses all controllers and can be set to also use all system RAM.

I suggest just use your PC to see if its stable for what you need is always the best formula.

Maybe there is a gap in the market for someone to start selling Binned and Delided CPU with full warranty ??:)
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AVX offset on BWE only works when voltage control is left to the board, which nobody does here generally. When using an offset or adaptive vcore you are still using the same voltage for both AVX and non AVX workloads. So you're still going to potentially damage the CPU. But the premise of what you are saying is still right, there is no need to stress the CPU with Prime.
 
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