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7850 to 660Ti - Weird situation
- Thread starter Richeh
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Can you not read?
I said everything else apart from BF3. Which is the same as saying BF3 is the only game he'd see an improvement...
Yes I can thank you as you can see by my reply to you
. I can read the bit where you said a 7850 would beat a 660Ti in everything except BF3... quoted again for your convenience:
...which is incorrect unless you're comparing his overclocked 7850 vs a stock 660Ti which wouldn't be a smart comparison as he is clearly going to overclock his 660Ti after doing it on his 7850.
As such what you said is wrong.
Yes I can thank you as you can see by my reply to you
I can read the bit where you said a 7850 would beat a 660Ti in everything except BF3... quoted again for your convenience:
...which is incorrect unless you're comparing his overclocked 7850 vs a stock 660Ti which wouldn't be a smart comparison as he is clearly going to overclock his 660Ti after doing it on his 7850.
As such what you said is wrong.
Far from wrong actually, his 7850 at those clocks is near enough stock 7950 performance. How do you know how well the 660ti is going to overclock either?
You are wrong but OK you aren't going to admit it. Fair enough
.I'll leave a couple of links for your perusal:
660Ti vs 7950 when both are overclocked:
http://hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/3
660Ti release day reviews averaged out:
The 7850 overclocks to decent levels I know to around 7950 stock performance but the 660Ti overclocks as well above and beyond stock 7950 performance. An overclocked 7950 is of course way faster than a 660Ti.
Enjoy!
You are wrong but OK you aren't going to admit it. Fair enough
I'll leave a couple of links for your perusal:
660Ti vs 7950 when both are overclocked:
http://hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/3
660Ti release day reviews averaged out:
The 7850 overclocks to decent levels I know to around 7950 stock performance but the 660Ti overclocks as well above and beyond stock 7950 performance. An overclocked 7950 is of course way faster than a 660Ti.
Enjoy!
Chart means nothing, you're dropping to humbugs level now.
He has a 7850 at the moment which is clocked very well. It isn't guaranteed the 660ti he gets will overclock. My point is he is switching from a great card with a very good overclock to a one which may get a few more fps in BF3 IF it can overclock well.
Well unfortunately for you the chart does mean something because it was compiled from multiple sources (i.e. multiple reviews). It's not just one review, it's them all averaged. That's about the best you can get really!
I'm not disputing your recommendation on what's best at all but you're going off on a tangent. I replied to your point which said that a 7850 at those clocks is faster than a 660Ti. Which it isn't and has been proven.
You're correct that he isn't guaranteed to get to 1300 Mhz like in the HardOCP review though I would say that 1150-1200 is all but guaranteed in the same way that the same clock speeds are all but guaranteed on 7950s. No? Good
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Well unfortunately for you the chart does mean something because it was compiled from multiple sources (i.e. multiple reviews). It's not just one review, it's them all averaged. That's about the best you can get really!
I'm not disputing your recommendation on what's best at all but you're going off on a tangent. I replied to your point which said that a 7850 at those clocks is slower than a 660Ti. Which it isn't and has been proven.
You're correct that he isn't guaranteed to get to 1300 Mhz like in the HardOCP review though I would say that 1150-1200 is all but guaranteed in the same way that the same clock speeds are all but guaranteed on 7950s. No? Good
I said his overclocked 7850 is slower than the 660ti in BF3. Also it's not all but guarenteed to hit 1150. Some cards just don't overclock at all.
You did say that. But you also said...
... to which I have responded and disproven.
Some cards don't hence the "all but guaranteed", as in "not guaranteed but a very good chance". The comparison made to the 7950's chances of overclocking is about as good a real world example you'll get. Some 7950's don't budge either. Silicon lottery and all that
.You did say that. But you also said...
... to which I have responded and disproven.
Some cards don't hence the "all but guaranteed", as in "not guaranteed but a very good chance". The comparison made to the 7950's chances of overclocking is about as good a real world example you'll get. Some 7950's don't budge either. Silicon lottery and all that
His overclocked 7850 is pretty much equal or better in other games than BF3 though and also £100 cheaper. Comparing it to an overclocked 660ti is pointless at £100 more. Lets compare an overclocked 7950 to the 660ti then. Equal price range and all that.
I see my name mentioned so i will oblige you
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/3
According to that overclocked vs overclocked the 7950 is faster in BF3.
Rusty0611 is right.
Well unfortunately for you the chart does mean something because it was compiled from multiple sources (i.e. multiple reviews). It's not just one review, it's them all averaged. That's about the best you can get really!
I'm not disputing your recommendation on what's best at all but you're going off on a tangent. I replied to your point which said that a 7850 at those clocks is slower than a 660Ti. Which it isn't and has been proven.
You're correct that he isn't guaranteed to get to 1300 Mhz like in the HardOCP review though I would say that 1150-1200 is all but guaranteed in the same way that the same clock speeds are all but guaranteed on 7950s. No? Good
The 7950 is clocked to just under 1200Mhz, as you say "1150 to 1200 is all but guaranteed" It's the GTX 660TI which is clocked at almost 1300Mhz
both should do those clocks, it's not unusual by any measure. Having said that i don't know how that will effect Nvidia watering down Voltage adjustments now.
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Well it isn't faster but fine you know better than all of the performance reviews averaged
. If you aren't going to admit you were wrong there's not much point debating it further. The evidence speaks for itself. What you originally posted to which I responded was on topic and has been discussed.
I already said above the 7950 when overclocked is clearly faster and is the definite winner in this price bracket hence my very first post in this topic...
(p.s. I like how you want to discuss an overclocked 7950 - fine - but an overclocked 660Ti is not allowed as highlighted above)
. I ignored the price purposefully and I am just talking about the cards on pure performance terms which again, was the original point you made to which I responded to.Well it isn't faster but fine you know better than all of the performance reviews averaged
If you aren't going to admit you were wrong there's not much point debating it further. The evidence speaks for itself. What you originally posted to which I responded was on topic and has been discussed.
I already said above the 7950 when overclocked is clearly faster and is the definite winner in this price bracket hence my very first post in this topic...
(p.s. I like how you want to discuss an overclocked 7950 - fine - but an overclocked 660Ti is not allowed as highlighted above)
You didn't prove anything I admitted the 660ti is faster in BF3. In other games his overclocked 7850 is around equal to a stock 660ti. I never mentioned an overclocked one. You brought that in.
I was comparing what he has now to what he was looking at. You can't compare his 7850 to an overclocked 660ti anyway as the only overclock guarenteed in this discussion is the one he already has on his 7850.
OK.
Overclocked vs stock when a user is proficient in overclocking. What a marvellous comparison to make to draw a general point from.
On your second point I agree that from a recommendation POV it doesn't make sense but I've already made a recommendation in post #4 or wherever and we aren't discussing that now.
We're now discussing on pure performance terms as per your original incorrect remark and in this respect it makes every sense to compare overclocked vs overclocked.
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OK.
Overclocked vs stock when a user is proficient in overclocking. What a marvellous comparison to make to draw a general point from.
User proficiency has nothing to do with how well the 660ti will overclock. Anyone can turn a few sliders in afterburner.
Read my edit above.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree but I really can't see him being that impressed with a 660ti over his 7850.
SkodaMart
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I am reading this with interest. I have just sent a HD 7950 back, because of minor artifacting and generally poor game play, stutters.
I have tested it on World of Tanks - which I know is a very bad example as the 0.8.0 update is very buggy.
The performance in The Witcher 2 though is poor, and not a patch on the 470 GTX SLI combination it replaces.
I have also had problems with ATi drivers corrupting the sound (Realtek) in the Heaven 3.0 Benchmark.
I have therefore purchased an nVidia card for the same budget and ended up with a GTX 660 TI.
I would have liked to have stretched my budget to the 670 GTX really.
All in all I wish I had kept 470 GTX SLi but it will be interesting to compare the two cards.
I get great frame rates with my HD 7950 but it just doesn't feel as smoioth as it was with 470 GTX SLI which is bizzare for a single card.
I have tested it on World of Tanks - which I know is a very bad example as the 0.8.0 update is very buggy.
The performance in The Witcher 2 though is poor, and not a patch on the 470 GTX SLI combination it replaces.
I have also had problems with ATi drivers corrupting the sound (Realtek) in the Heaven 3.0 Benchmark.
I have therefore purchased an nVidia card for the same budget and ended up with a GTX 660 TI.
I would have liked to have stretched my budget to the 670 GTX really.
All in all I wish I had kept 470 GTX SLi but it will be interesting to compare the two cards.
I get great frame rates with my HD 7950 but it just doesn't feel as smoioth as it was with 470 GTX SLI which is bizzare for a single card.
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I agree
. That was never in doubt. Did you read my original recommendation? I was never actually recommending the 660Ti over a 7850 and was merely talking in pure performance terms.
I agree
Did you read my original recommendation? I was never actually recommending the 660Ti over a 7850 and was merely talking in pure performance terms.
Yeah I thought you were recommending the 660ti as well though lol. The 660ti would be a great card if it was £200.