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7900X to a 9800X3D worth it?

GoRedwings19 said:
With the exception of the 12900k. I prefer the 7800x3d and 9800x3d over the 13900k and 14900k. When I went from the 12900k to the 13900 I could tell there was a performance uplify straight away but also the downside of that uplift was even more higher temps and more heat that needed to be exhausted out of the case. I hate summer normally. now imagine it with a 13900k and a 3090ti. it drove me bonkers the heat. The 14900k I hated. Just when I didn;t think a CPU could out put as much heat and have higher insane temps then the 14900k plodded along. this left a very very bad taste I my mouth and for marginal if any uplift. this really annoyed the hell out of me. I knew my love affair with intel was over then. Having said that I loved my 12900k.

I like intels as my way of thinking is that they are more of an all rounder. Might not truly exceed in one particular aspect but it can do the rest decently well. I am not too fond of the AMD approach if you want to game you get the 5800x3D, 7800x3d but their productivity suffers as a result for having a good gaming chip and if you prefer a more productivity bias like the non X3d then gaming has to suffer albeit it gotten better since then.

I have often said AMD users don;t know how lucky they are cost wise. I appreciate when they say AMD is expensive and that is within context of the AMD architecture. 450 for 7800x3d or 450 9800x3d on release? Try £700 each intel release. It's not like a x800X3d gaming CPU which is roughly 2 years apart on release. But I know what I signed up for when I went 12900k onwards.

As to whether I appreciate the 9800x3d over say something like 14900k for 4k gaming. To be transparent I couldn't;t tell you there is only one game I like to play and that's league of legends. You don't need a 9800x3d or a 14900k for that matter to play that game. But I do like to bench and I love to tinker. If I played other games where it make use of the 9800x3d or 14900k brute strength I could report back on it. But seeming as I only play LoL it makes no diff what CPU I use in the game and for that matter what GPU.
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I dropped a tier and went from a 990k, great CPU, if toasty, for its day. From there to a 12700k and then to a 14700k. I very much like the "all round" aspect of the 14700k and whilst gaming at 4k serves me well I was curious to have an opinion from someone who has now had both platforms to offer an informed opinion on the practical differences between what they have experienced.
Point taken though, if you only play LoL, could almost make a quip about that, then I admire your conviction on your serial tinkering with technology. My bank balance would be my own constraints, well largely.

Enjoy your AMD built rigs. It is not just the attraction with what AMD are producing that is enticing me to my next build being one, but, somewhat bizarrely, it is what Intel have been doing for some time that I find encouraging. They seem to be intent on pushing me towards AMD, strange world isn't it..?!

Thanks for your comments, appreciated.
 
Zeebedy said:
Hey guys,

Keep going back and forth on a X3D chip. Would this be worth the upgrade? I dont do any productivity, just gaming.

This is running well but wonder if the extra Cache is worth it?
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sis kid upgraded from a am4 system to a 9800x3d zen5.
he doubled his fps in Tarkov same gpu.
best cpu you can own for gaming.
intel dont even compete anymore
 
jigger said:
If you think about it the 9800X3D is ideal for your daughter. Nvidia cards need all the CPU help they can get because of the CPU processor overhead they suffer and the obsession with V RAM starvation limits the resolution the cards can run.
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I feel using a 9800X3D with a 2080 super would have been a waste, when theirs a more powerful card I have that could make full use of it. Also my daughter is in year 10 at school and started her GCSE's in September and is doing media studies and start messing around with some media software which I feels will suit the 7900x better. Also she's not massively into gaming and the games she plays really aren't going to make the most of the 9800X3D.
 
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Vimes said:
I dropped a tier and went from a 990k, great CPU, if toasty, for its day. From there to a 12700k and then to a 14700k. I very much like the "all round" aspect of the 14700k and whilst gaming at 4k serves me well I was curious to have an opinion from someone who has now had both platforms to offer an informed opinion on the practical differences between what they have experienced.
Point taken though, if you only play LoL, could almost make a quip about that, then I admire your conviction on your serial tinkering with technology. My bank balance would be my own constraints, well largely.

Enjoy your AMD built rigs. It is not just the attraction with what AMD are producing that is enticing me to my next build being one, but, somewhat bizarrely, it is what Intel have been doing for some time that I find encouraging. They seem to be intent on pushing me towards AMD, strange world isn't it..?!

Thanks for your comments, appreciated.
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There are a lot of things which don't get talked about with the 7800X3D, where the 9800X3D (apparently - I've not had a chance to play with a 9800X3D myself to see) has improvements, and the Intel CPUs do much better than the 7800X3D - memory training can be a pain on the 7800X3D (in some cases you can get MCR to work but it is far from a guarantee) resulting in much slower boot times than the 9800X3D or Intel platforms, some stuff outside of gaming can be really bottlenecked by IO and memory ops constraints in comparison. Even just general Windows stuff and app installs, etc.

At least with 4080 class GPUs and below you are within margin of error in the vast majority of gaming cases at 1440P let alone 4K with the kind of settings people are likely to be actually gaming with.

Power draw at the wall, especially if you don't optimise the systems and select a PSU with appropriate peak efficiency, really isn't as different as people think from the reviews, aside from the 14900K - that is another story again (though Intel Default profile can tame that a bit for no real gaming performance loss though there is some in heavy multithreading).
 
No thanks.

The next intels will have at least 52 cores, that's my generational upgrade path.
 
Rroff said:
There are a lot of things which don't get talked about with the 7800X3D, where the 9800X3D (apparently - I've not had a chance to play with a 9800X3D myself to see) has improvements, and the Intel CPUs do much better than the 7800X3D - memory training can be a pain on the 7800X3D (in some cases you can get MCR to work but it is far from a guarantee) resulting in much slower boot times than the 9800X3D or Intel platforms, some stuff outside of gaming can be really bottlenecked by IO and memory ops constraints in comparison. Even just general Windows stuff and app installs, etc.

At least with 4080 class GPUs and below you are within margin of error in the vast majority of gaming cases at 1440P let alone 4K with the kind of settings people are likely to be actually gaming with.

Power draw at the wall, especially if you don't optimise the systems and select a PSU with appropriate peak efficiency, really isn't as different as people think from the reviews, aside from the 14900K - that is another story again (though Intel Default profile can tame that a bit for no real gaming performance loss though there is some in heavy multithreading).
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I get the emphasis placed on the gaming performance on the x3d CPU's, why wouldn't it as that is what they do really well in, for the larger part. However, it is the opinions of those, content creator type videos seem to be lacking in this respect, who have had both top tier platforms, and can be somewhat agnostic in their opinions, to see past just the gaming performance, in this example, and also note the generalised and application use.
Using a 4080 and 4k, as I do, perhaps the minimums, in certain titles, could improve, according to one content creator who can be somewhat controversial, at least with others opinions, seems to prefer, overall, the x variant of the AMD CPU's over that of the lagging and jittery type performances he has noted with the x3d variant.
I would not be looking to replace the 14700k, as such, but at some point consider a second build with one of those going to a family member. That might not happen, but, like with the Arrow Lake platform, it is good to have an overall impression to try and make an informed choice.
 
CPU upgrades are overrated imho, unless you play at 1080p. The 9800x3d IMO is one of the best CPU's of all time, but it's not worth replacing another modern CPU unless you're really trying to fill out a monitor at 1080p or trying to make some VR title playable or something kind of niche. I think it'll last a few more generations than any other current CPU, but if you're replacing another expensive modern CPU to get there, what even is that
 
kute said:
CPU upgrades are overrated imho, unless you play at 1080p. The 9800x3d IMO is one of the best CPU's of all time, but it's not worth replacing another modern CPU unless you're really trying to fill out a monitor at 1080p or trying to make some VR title playable or something kind of niche. I think it'll last a few more generations than any other current CPU, but if you're replacing another expensive modern CPU to get there, what even is that
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what are you saying?Are you saying cos it one of the best of all time when I play league in Aram it doesn't make a diff. As we say in league CPU diff.

Amirite? :P
 
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GoRedwings19 said:
what are you saying?Are you saying cos it one of the best of all time when I play league in Aram it doesn't make a diff. As we say in league CPU diff.
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I'm saying it has like 40% headroom over the next nearest competitor, the 7800x3d, and like 60% over anything intel, but that it doesn't matter because 2k/4k is a pure GPU test
 
kute said:
I'm saying it has like 40% headroom over the next nearest competitor, the 7800x3d, and like 60% over anything intel, but that it doesn't matter because 2k/4k is a pure GPU test
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Even at 1440P you're going to see gains, I believe Gamers Nexus showed this, They're not massive but they are there and then there are things like micro stutters and other anomalies which can be reduced too.
 
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kute said:
I'm saying it has like 40% headroom over the next nearest competitor, the 7800x3d, and like 60% over anything intel, but that it doesn't matter because 2k/4k is a pure GPU test
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That was a joke post by me which obviously I missed the mark on. While 4k takes the CPU out of the equation there are a few games now which can be bottlenecked by the 9800x3d when using a 5090.

I am not sure where you are getting 60% over say something like a 14900k or 40% over a 7800x3d. While they are improvements it nowhere near those figures at 4k unless you are talking about 1080p. Sure there are some outlier games that the 9800x3d get a chance to show high performance gains but overall from my experience at least when I had the 14900k and 7800x3d it was marginal albeit it was faster but we are talking in most cases almost error of margin type numbers.

Don't get me wrong I think it is a fantastic gaming CPU.
 
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And what if we would like to ‘just’ play with one of them. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I don’t need one, I’d like one.

Also, building out a machine for the Mrs/kid to play WOW on. My 7900x3d will head in that direction.

Need a GPU though and given the situation there, I’m happy to wait a little.
 
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