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7970 vs 680 thread.

ALXAndy said:
I've seen 1200 from one site, and 1250 from another. Nothing higher just yet.
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So is it variable from card to card then?? I think this needs to be confirmed IMHO.

Wouldn't that make the stock performance of this card sample dependent??

That cannot be correct though so I must be missing something here.

Perhaps,what could be done is that GTX680 owners and HD7970 owners can run benchmarks at stock speeds,ideally with similar performing CPUs.

It will be interesting to see the spread of results over time,ie, is there any real world effect??
 
Atm the stock non custom non oc gtx 680 is beating the stock non custom non oc 7970, that is the simple fact at the moment.

Yes you can overclock the 7970 but you can do the same to the 680 and these custom 7970 1200mhz cards that are apparently coming out soon will do nothing against these gtx 680 2ghz cards that are apparently coming out.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So is it variable from card to card then?? I think this needs to be confirmed IMHO.

Wouldn't that make the stock performance of this card sample dependent??

That cannot be correct though so I must be missing something here.

Perhaps,what could be done is that GTX680 owners and HD7970 owners can run benchmarks at stock speeds,ideally with similar performing CPUs.

It will be interesting to see the spread of results over time,ie, is there any real world effect??
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It seemed they did try and push the card as high as they could.

In reviews as we know they mostly have a single page with some benchmarks later in the review that covers the overclocking.

Tom is probably the only one I know who only really cares about overclocking, doing so before they even start (again, simple page explaining the settings and speeds) and fully includes the results in the graphs and charts.
 
ALXAndy said:
Well then once again maybe it's time people are more open minded?

And take all of the variables into account and not trying to over simplify it all to fit it to their logic?

Sure, some people would buy from OCUK before even looking around. Fair play ! There are also people who would go out and buy a 680 and sell their 7970 because they didn't take the time to look over things properly.

I think that's where the differences in opinion come up tbh.

In the USA the 680 is clearly cheaper, the entire US web over. It's not the same story here :)
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On all the proper places they are around the same price, there isn't enough in it to make a difference, other than stock levels.

The problem is that when the GTX580 was over £100 more than the 6970 it still sold really well, and while it was faster it wasn't over £100 faster, so i think AMD pricing alongside Nvidia is a big mistake for them in the long run.
 
trisp said:
Atm the stock non custom non oc gtx 680 is beating the stock non custom non oc 7970, that is the simple fact at the moment.

Yes you can overclock the 7970 but you can do the same to the 680 and these custom 7970 1200mhz cards that are apparently coming out soon will do nothing against these gtx 680 2ghz cards that are apparently coming out.
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We've covered that many pages ago also.

The last part? very good you've based fact on myth.

About the best thing you said in that post was -

trisp said:
Yes you can overclock the 7970 but you can do the same to the 680
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The rest? Nvidia defence team. So, hopefully you can open your mind and work out that there is absolutely no favouritism going on in this thread. Well, certainly not from CAT or I any way, who seem to have been doing most of the hard work thus far.

All of the good bits of both have been pointed out over and over and over (and we get a new one in every couple of hours that repeats it all for us, especially how marvellous the 680 is) so we really don't need any more of it.

Benchmarks with both cards at their limits, please. We already have two sets (OC3D and Linus) and plenty of other info that suggest they are even.

If you can find a set of benchmarks where they are completely honestly both pushed to the limit and the 680 wins you will most certainly be onto something.

:)
 
Redemption80 said:
On all the proper places they are around the same price, there isn't enough in it to make a difference, other than stock levels.

The problem is that when the GTX580 was over £100 more than the 6970 it still sold really well, and while it was faster it wasn't over £100 faster, so i think AMD pricing alongside Nvidia is a big mistake for them in the long run.
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580 was faster than the 6970. Quite clearly, in absolutely every single way. Only time I ever saw a 6970 come close was the Lightning in the Vortez review @ 1050mhz. It just about scored some points on a stock 580.

It was clear then. It isn't now. Most certainly 100% completely, totally and utterly unclear.

But, from the murmurs of those who did decide to overclock both cards fair and square they seem right around level. :)
 
Surely OcUK can muster 5 to 10 GTX680 users and 5 to 10 HD7970 users?? As long as they have similarly performing CPUs,they can run a bunch of benchmarks and see if there is much variance at stock clockspeeds within the cards themselves and between them??

Heck,you could even run the benchmarks again with newer owners in another month to see if newer cards show any difference too.

That would answer any questions surely and then everyone can be happy.
 
LeJosh said:
The information is good on that website I just despise the layout of the site and constant clicking and reloading of pages. :p
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Yeah kinda sucks. Interesting results mind you. Also interesting how some sites base a "win" on max FPS whilst others concentrate on the minimums.

The Skyrim results, for example, are based on max FPS. 69 min for the 680, 75 or so for the 7970.

I think some one covered it well yesterday tbh. It's far more fun when it's so close and complex :D


CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Surely OcUK can muster 5 to 10 GTX680 users and 5 to 10 HD7970 users?? As long as they have similarly performing CPUs,they can run a bunch of benchmarks and see if there is much variance at stock clockspeeds within the cards themselves and between them??

Heck,you could even run the benchmarks again with newer owners in another month to see if newer cards show any difference too.

That would answer any questions surely and then everyone can be happy.
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Sadly there's not much point in me bothering, because I usually don't catch upgraditis so only use a lowly 950 lol.

Mind you, I have to say I've been tempted over the past couple of days to borrow some cash and get a 680 just to put it to bed :D
 
Redemption80 said:
So your choosing to ignore my points about why that review and video cant be trusted.
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No. I completely agree with you. A review and video can't be trusted. So that goes for every other review then, right?

As for whether I believe the results Tom achieved? Tom as in Tom Logan? yes, I do.

I know what equipment he uses. So, maybe he's made an error? prove it.

Go and ask him I guess ! because bottom line is the results.
 
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