7970 vs 680 thread.

[KraniX]

I'm giving my performance figures because the figures given in reviews are blatanly being nerfed to make the 680 look better than it is, and all you naive kiddies lap up the false BS being fed to you. More fool you. Read around any forum about how folks we're going to sell their 7970's and get 680, stopped for a second and realised it's not as good as being reviewed.

For a start, anyone selling a damn fine card like the 7970 to buy a 680 must have more money than sense and truly cannot be helped, don't they have bills to pay or kids to feed?

I don't see evidence of the majority of review sites being biased, if anything it's angry 7970 owners such as yourself who don't seem able to have a balanced perspective.

Andantech and Bit-Tech are my usual sources for reviews and I feel they are both trustworthy and rate based on the merits of each card fairly. I also visit PC Pro quite often and again they don't favour a single manufacturer but go on what is in front of them.

Unless AMD reduce the cost of the 7970 it wouldn't be the top of my list to purchase. If you want the fastest stock single card on the market which also has a smaller size and less power draw then why wouldn't you buy the 680?

If on the otherhand you could get a 7970 for a significant chunk less than the 680 then I'd be tempted myself.

You seem to think there is a big conspiracy where everyone has been bought by Nvidia and are lying in their findings which just isn't the case, look how blasted Nvidia got by the overall disappointment that was Fermi, how do you explain that if everyone is, as you put it 'lapping up the false BS'?

 

[Mal X]

It's bloody annoying is what it is. I WANT to see a decent selection of results, from different people, with real world rigs and weird and wonderful setups. Instead what we get is borderline trolling and Vantage results.

well just wait then, why is everyone so desperate to buy now, just calm down.

now is not the time to buy, only the foolhardy buy now

 

[layte]

I dont see any gtx680 owners coming in with there benchmarks from games or canned.

Give em' time. I'd imagine most people who bought one have not even had chance to install it yet. I'd have thought that our two vocal 7970 cheerleaders would have plenty of results to post.

 

[Rusty0611]

well just wait then, why is everyone so desperate to buy now, just calm down.

now is not the time to buy, only the foolhardy buy now

I've already pointed out how backwards this logic is. If AMD and nVidia are making money in the £400 range this range isn't going to disappear.

Also there's always new hardware on the horizon so you'll just end up always waiting for the next big thing and then moaning about the cost.

True value in my opinion comes towards the end of a cards life in the upper mid range bracket. For a gaming card now the 6870 offers exceptional £/performance ratio if you can live with certain games not on ultra (high is fine)

 

[KraniX]

Overclock3D started out by realising that the 680 was overclocking itself.

Not sure I understand what you mean, are you talking about the GPU boost technology or additional overclocking?

 

[TAC4U]

I thought you was just having a bad day yesterday but clearly not

Indeed. It's getting very tiring. I can understand expressing scepticism about the performance of the 680, particularly with the turbo boost feature, but it's ludicrous to ignore over a dozen reputable reviews that have stated that the 680 is faster, even if only by a small margin. When people start rejecting evidence in favour of their own personal beliefs you simply cannot reason with them and you just have to ignore them.

 

[dave_beast]

In all seriousness, are none of you actually interested in how these cards perform while gaming? Or do you make your buying decisions on the basis of a couple of artificial benchmarks that bear no relation to real word games?

Yea.. Great... The 7970 and 680 seem to perform pretty much exactly the same in Heaven and 3dmark, the thing is though, I don't play Heaven or 3dmark. If I wanted to watch the same rendered images pass across my screen all day I'd fire up my library of Pixar films, at least I'd be entertained that way.

I'd almost be tempted to think a couple of very vocal 7970 owners are worried to post games benchmarks for some reason.

I get 82fps average at 1080p at Ultra at everyday overclocking settings 1150/1650 at stock volts. Max goes up to 112fps and down to 61fps, never lower. You won't see that in the reviews!

Indeed. It's getting very tiring. I can understand expressing scepticism about the performance of the 680, particularly with the turbo boost feature, but it's ludicrous to ignore over a dozen reputable reviews that have stated that the 680 is faster, even if only by a small margin. When people start rejecting evidence in favour of their own personal beliefs you simply cannot reason with them and you just have to ignore them.

You do realise the stock 7970 clocked at 925 is way underclocked right? If they'd clocked at 1006mhz as stock there'd be almost no difference (except for the turbo boost) in results.

 

[Jasonst888]

Andantech and Bit-Tech are my usual sources for reviews and I feel they are both trustworthy and rate based on the merits of each card fairly. I also visit PC Pro quite often and again they don't favour a single manufacturer but go on what is in front of them.

Really? You don't find them biased at all??? Must be reading different reviews...like how every second word on the 7970 review was how overpriced it was...and yet on the 680 we get them saying "While we realise that £400 is a great deal to spend on a GPU, we really feel that the performance, power consumption and features on offer with the GTX 680 2GB more than justify the outlay. " .....not the first time, they did the same when comparing the 560ti to the 6950....unbiased wouldnt be the word I would choose.

 

[MyBrainz]

Not sure if anybody posted this yet but both 7970 and 680 overclocked around the same and benchmarked in this video.

Galaxy NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Overclocking Guide & 7970 Performance Review Linus Tech Tips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRChkEvBXQA

Edit.. looks like the 7970 was only clocked to max CCC overclock settings whereas the 680 was clocked at around 1240 ish and the 7970 still won some of the benches.

 

[Rroff]

lol the GTX680 sure has some people worked up... can we stop crying over the clock boosting feature already? the cards are quite capable of running 1200MHz constantly out the box but instead nVidia decided to use a system to get the best combination of performance, power usage and heat output.

 

[ancientmariner]

God its like groundhog day round here, the same 2 usual culprits saying the same thing over and over. Enjoy your 7970's guys..if you feel you need to hold on to that "fastest gpu" boasting prize then enjoy. The 680 is quieter, less power hungry, cooler and a similar spec and price..but of course ..only a "fool" would buy one.

 

[layte]

I'd like to see the 7970 and 680 owners take a bunch of games they have on their systems, pick a res and benchmark the **** out of them. Something similar to what I did back in the early Farmi days ( http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18168653 ) would be great for those people sitting on the fence.

 

[Mal X]

I've already pointed out how backwards this logic is. If AMD and nVidia are making money in the £400 range this range isn't going to disappear.

Also there's always new hardware on the horizon so you'll just end up always waiting for the next big thing and then moaning about the cost.

True value in my opinion comes towards the end of a cards life in the upper mid range bracket. For a gaming card now the 6870 offers exceptional £/performance ratio if you can live with certain games not on ultra (high is fine)

no not at all, the 400 quid you have now will be 600 quid next month, thus you can buy a faster card..... the logic is simple, it's just you're too impatient

plus when you do have the 600 quid, there will be more advanced versions of this 680 for sale.

no, we're not talking about never buying, we're talking about buying what's best in July, it's up to you, but i'd rather go top end so i dont have to upgrade again in another 2 years, or get jealous at other forum members here

the power draw of a dual cpu card is about 400 Watts, so my psu is still powerful enough for this....easily, that is if i decide to get the 7990, because by August i'll have about 1000 quid to blow.... a card like this is a bit silly, but well what, i'd only blow it on something else !

 

[Rroff]

This is with the tessellation slider cheat at the same settings, and it's at 1200/1600mhz at 1.25v

Turning the slider all the way down to the lowest setting doesn't prove anything - other than that you weren't disabling tessellation entirely in the previous results which the screenshot shows anyhow, it doesn't disprove the use of AMD Optimised settings and/or setting a lower user defined level than the one set by the application. Both of which are invalid settings to use for comparision purposes - if your not using forced settings then I apologise but your results are more than a little higher than what I've seen with my own eyes.

 

[Mal X]

lol the GTX680 sure has some people worked up... can we stop crying over the clock boosting feature already? the cards are quite capable of running 1200MHz constantly out the box but instead nVidia decided to use a system to get the best combination of performance, power usage and heat output.

yea i know.

 

[Rroff]

I wonder what the SLi vs CF scaling results will be like.

Are there any reviews doing so or did NV only send partners one sample?

IMO (without complicated frametime graphs, etc.) CF v SLI results are quite meaningless due to the different systems the companies use. AMD biases for highest performance in every situation as they believe it "gives their customers better value" and nVidia biases for more regular frametimes - so you can get a scenario where the results might seem to show the AMD setup having higher fps but infact potentially isn't any better or could even be worse due to the increased irregularity in frametimes resulting in a lower perceived fps.

 

[RavenXXX2]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_680_SLI/1.html

Here's the 7970 crossfire results for comparison

 

[OCPete]

Dare i even suggest if both cards are pretty much equal when fully oc'ed the cheaper is the one to go for?

IIRC the 680 has a lower RRP.

Surely a good thing?

 

[ALXAndy]

lol the GTX680 sure has some people worked up... can we stop crying over the clock boosting feature already? the cards are quite capable of running 1200MHz constantly out the box but instead nVidia decided to use a system to get the best combination of performance, power usage and heat output.

And when put to similar clocks the 7970 is just as fast.

There's no crying going on, just a huge case of denial.

As for the heat? 680 is the hotter card.

 

[B1gbeard]

And when put to similar clocks the 7970 is just as fast.

There's no crying going on, just a huge case of denial.

Has anyone here said otherwise? I don't think I've seen anyone state it's not the case.

Stop raving on here like a madman and go to Anandtech or whatever and rant over there.