8 core coffeelake on Z370 ?

Minstadave · 6 May 2018 at 01:46

opethdisciple said:
I think Intel will start making their CPU's backwards compatible at least 1 mobo generation. AMD and the AM4 platform are putting pressure on them to do this.

I doubt it, it was normal to have multiple generations of CPU on a motherboard until Intel abandoned this practice.

Didn’t one of the motherboard makers have Coffeelake working on Z270 and even Z170 showing the limitation was not a purely a technical one?

https://www.techpowerup.com/237957/...uld-be-compatible-with-intel-coffee-lake-cpus

Keep the motherboard manufacturers happy by selling lots of boards and a nice revenue stream for Intels chipset division.

ToTheMax · 6 May 2018 at 07:19

Not a chance, this is Intel we are talking about. More motherboards means more cash for them and their partners.

opethdisciple · 6 May 2018 at 12:27

But then they are allowing AMD to make them look bad.

AMD have taken a look at Intel and with Ryzen brought to market a product that fills all the gaps in their product line.

An 8 core processor, cheaper, a backwards compatible socket in AM4.

These are things that are important to the customer.

smilingcrow · 6 May 2018 at 15:54

opethdisciple said:
But then they are allowing AMD to make them look bad.

AMD have taken a look at Intel and with Ryzen brought to market a product that fills all the gaps in their product line.

An 8 core processor, cheaper, a backwards compatible socket in AM4.

These are things that are important to the customer.

But only to the small percentage of people that upgrade their CPUs which is not nearly large enough to base your production decisions on.
Intel are building for the large OEMs mainly not for enthusiasts.
The tail doesn't wag the dog.

Troezar · 6 May 2018 at 17:36

smilingcrow said:
But only to the small percentage of people that upgrade their CPUs which is not nearly a large enough to base your production decisions on.
Intel are building for the large OEMs mainly not for enthusiasts.
The tail doesn't wag the dog.

Unless all the dogs have one tail to supply them with wags

AthlonXP1800 · 21 May 2018 at 22:18

https://wccftech.com/intel-8-core-16-thread-coffee-lake-8th-gen-cpu-spotted/
https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-8-core-kaby-coffee-lake-chip-spotted

8 core Coffee Lake-S CPU early sample worked with Z370 motherboard.

BTVA · 21 May 2018 at 22:23

Fingers crossed, although 8700K works well on this board I still really want a 2 dimm ATX asrock board.

gavinh87 · 21 May 2018 at 23:11

BTVA said:
Fingers crossed, although 8700K works well on this board I still really want a 2 dimm ATX asrock board.

Oh nice!

peahead · 22 May 2018 at 12:06

BTVA said:
Fingers crossed, although 8700K works well on this board I still really want a 2 dimm ATX asrock board.

Wait what the 8700k works on a z170 now i thought its pins were designed differently ?

BTVA · 22 May 2018 at 13:01

peahead said:
Wait what the 8700k works on a z170 now i thought its pins were designed differently ?

it needed a little bit of modding with the bios and ID pins. Some bioses don't need pin mod.

eddiew · 22 May 2018 at 13:57

BTVA said:
Some bioses don't need pin mod.

So... older boards could support covfefe just fine with a bios update, but the vendors aren't producing such updates?

That irks me.

zola25 · 22 May 2018 at 15:37

^ That was Intel's call, not the board partners.

Kirby Wurm · 22 May 2018 at 22:43

I'll need to look up a link but I'm sure I've read the changes the Z390 will bring are minor and mostly include native ports, extra USB3.1 and such.

Edit: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12750/intel-releases-z390-chipset-product-information

peahead · 22 May 2018 at 23:24

BTVA said:
it needed a little bit of modding with the bios and ID pins. Some bioses don't need pin mod.

Yeah just been watching a video about it on youtube i wont be trying it personally but it shows it could have been supported if intel wanted it too.

prjwebb · 22 May 2018 at 23:44

Iirc, when Z370 came out, tech folks were saying that there are extra pins for power delivery that aren't needed on the 6 cores that were most likely for bigger chips coming later.

4K8KW10 · 23 May 2018 at 00:51

prjwebb said:
Iirc, when Z370 came out, tech folks were saying that there are extra pins for power delivery that aren't needed on the 6 cores that were most likely for bigger chips coming later.

Technically, this is wrong. The Z370 can sustain the power consumption of a heavily overclocked to 5.2 GHz and more 8700.
The 9700 could very well have lower power consumption. Actually even 65W variants.

orbitalwalsh · 23 May 2018 at 09:37

4K8KW10 said:
Technically, this is wrong. The Z370 can sustain the power consumption of a heavily overclocked to 5.2 GHz and more 8700.
The 9700 could very well have lower power consumption. Actually even 65W variants.

seems they still carry the 8***k naming scheme

z390 boards to be considered a side grade- will pretty much be B360/H370 but unlocked and hopefully better VRM set up

subbytna · 23 May 2018 at 17:49

eddiew said:
It's Intel; we should never expect a motherboard to be compatible with any CPU beyond the generation it is launched with

Exactly. Intel take the P when it comes to chipset support. "You want a new Intel CPU? Sure...but you'll have to go buy a new motherboard too"

At least AMD have AM4 for 3-4 years.

4K8KW10 · 23 May 2018 at 18:16

subbytna said:
Exactly. Intel take the P when it comes to chipset support. "You want a new Intel CPU? Sure...but you'll have to go buy a new motherboard too"

At least AMD have AM4 for 3-4 years.

The thing I find disturbing is that the Intel motherboards somehow look better than the AM4 motherboards.
More features rich and cheaper :eek:

Dicehunter · 23 May 2018 at 19:04

4K8KW10 said:
The thing I find disturbing is that the Intel motherboards somehow look better than the AM4 motherboards.
More features rich and cheaper

If AMD keep doing well with Ryzen, Ryzen 2 etc... mobo makers will eventually start making motherboards that don't look cheap and nasty.