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true, unless the TR also get a bump to 64/32/16
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true, unless the TR also get a bump to 64/32/16
It makes a lot of sense. The two platforms are very different even at core parity.
Why would you buy a more expensive cpu/board on TR4 if you can get an equivalent on AM4 for less ? Unless you needed the extra pcie lanes or quad channel ram support then most people would go with AM4.
Well firstly AM4 and TR4 aren't equal but why would you not open up AM4 and TR4 to higher core counts. AMD want to move the market forward.
Didn't you just answer your own question? Having a few extra cores for rendering the odd video is one thing (especially at AMD prices), but the prosumer/HEDT lot will still need - and be able to utilise - that quad channel memory. They will also likely have a lot of IO (multiple NVMe/scratch disks, storage) necessitating the extra lanes.
Sort of but not everyone will need extra pcie lanes or quad channel ram support. If you are just someone doing video editing or want a high core count cpu then you would probably look at AM4 over TR4. You wouldn't need that many cores for gaming so I don't see the point. Plus how well would current AM4 boarsd cope with a 16 core monster cpu ? Even some TR4 boards have VRM issues.
Everyone needs high core count. As I read it somewhere, why not AMD stop manufacturing 4-core CPUs at all and make the 8-core ones the lowest end.
TR4 has other benefits, other than double the cores count.
Then they'd get the AM4 and pay less.
...and save some money. I don't see that this is an issue. In fact it was exactly my point - if you need HEDT you'll buy TR regardless of Ryzen's core count. If you don't, the extra cores are a nice bonus but not the reason you chose the proc.
Many people don't game at all, and may even use their PCs for actual work. A shock, I know.
A bit of a non-issue really tbf. How many Z270 boards could handle Coffee Lake? Many AM4 boards are epically over-engineered (Asus CHVII, Gigabyte Aorus, and the Asrock TaiChi has 16 power phases(!)), and those that aren't still have a shot at running the next gen CPU, even if it means less of an XFR boost. Not really grounds for complaint when the competition would generally enforce a board upgrade anyway.
Then they'd get the AM4 and pay less.
That is the point I am makingIf they get AM4 over TR4 then that is affecting TR4 sales.
...and save some money. I don't see that this is an issue. In fact it was exactly my point - if you need HEDT you'll buy TR regardless of Ryzen's core count. If you don't, the extra cores are a nice bonus but not the reason you chose the proc.
Why ? So if someone for example wanted to edit and render videos for Youtube why spend xxx more on a TR4 setup when you can get the same thing cheaper on AM4 ? They are more or less making AM4 into a HEDT if they release a 16 core cpu.
Many people don't game at all, and may even use their PCs for actual work. A shock, I know.
That is what TR4 is for.
A bit of a non-issue really tbf. How many Z270 boards could handle Coffee Lake? Many AM4 boards are epically over-engineered (Asus CHVII, Gigabyte Aorus, and the Asrock TaiChi has 16 power phases(!)), and those that aren't still have a shot at running the next gen CPU, even if it means less of an XFR boost. Not really grounds for complaint when the competition would generally enforce a board upgrade anyway.
Except it is an issue if you already own a board that doesn't have great VRM's and want to upgrade to a higher core count cpu. That would mean having to buy a new board. Not everyone is running a Crosshair Vii or Gaming 7 etc.
Some games are scaling pretty well over 16 threads so 16 cores and 32 threads might be very useful.
Maybe so, but I still think they should keep the higher core cpu's on the HEDT platform otherwise you are diluting it somewhat. I don't think they will make a jump to 16 cores anyway on AM4. That just seems to big of a step going from 8c to 16c in one release.
Not everyone needs a mega core cpu. There is still a market for the 4 core cpu's and will be for quite a while I would imagine. Someone building an office pc or similar doesn't need lots of cores.
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Both good chips, the Intel a bit better at gaming and Ryzen a bit better at productivity.
Pointless swapping now.
Maybe look at the 3700X next year, for a bigger upgrade.
Pointless swapping now.
Maybe look at the 3700X next year, for a bigger upgrade.
Microsoft Office apps can use cores quite nicely, never underestimate the need for cores in an office
I am talking about general usage i.e MS Word or other basic office tasks etc. You don't need an 8 core cpu for something like that.