8K not the future?
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I designed the data centre network for one of the largest streaming platforms at the time, around 12 years ago and back then, one problem was the amount of bandwidth required to stream all of the different formats (sd, hd, 1080, iphone, TV, ipad etc), especially from the CDN perspective.
The bitrate for 8k is so much more that nobody really wants to handle it at scale, everybody streaming native 8k content would absolutely smash CDN and infrastructure bandwidth, for relatively little gain when it's difficult to tell the difference between 4k/8k.
Then there's the production side, filming it, storing it - editing it all at 8k native is not trivial, it's hard and it's expensive - so nobody really wants to do it.
The bitrate for 8k is so much more that nobody really wants to handle it at scale, everybody streaming native 8k content would absolutely smash CDN and infrastructure bandwidth, for relatively little gain when it's difficult to tell the difference between 4k/8k.
Then there's the production side, filming it, storing it - editing it all at 8k native is not trivial, it's hard and it's expensive - so nobody really wants to do it.
Something which always gets missed on this subject is the difference between a true 30, 60, etc. FPS experience and reality when it comes to things like frame pacing, pixel response and in interactive situations latency, etc. and the need for higher rates of FPS and/or Hz to reproduce a consistent experience.
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I jumped on the bandwagon a few years ago, but oled isn't without it's issues. 1 big one is that since dark is off unlike grey on an LCD, some videos games become very different to play in a bright room (or even during the day). Cost is another big one, I went 65, but really the 77 would have been a better size due to distance (or 83, but not sure I could have swung that one by the mrs
). The 77 was double the cost of my 65 so that put me off. I didn't think it was that much more for bigger LCDs, but I could be wrong.
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Not surprised. I've got a 85" tv in my living room and sit just over 2 metres away and can see the difference between 1080p and 4k, but it's not a complete night and day difference either. 1080p is watchable. The jump to 8k is prob not noticeable unless you go noticeably bigger which is not realistic.
Your number 1 big issue is easily fixed by setting up a separate profile for brighter environments.I jumped on the bandwagon a few years ago, but oled isn't without it's issues. 1 big one is that since dark is off unlike grey on an LCD, some videos games become very different to play in a bright room (or even during the day). Cost is another big one, I went 65, but really the 77 would have been a better size due to distance (or 83, but not sure I could have swung that one by the mrs
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Ultimately it comes down to content not being made in 8K. The cost for producing content in 8K is insane and any rendering or processing takes well over twice as long as 4K because you hit other bottlenecks along the way such as storage, network, CPU, GPU speed etc. The jump from HD to 4K was tough enough
I'm only on a 65" OLED and I find it's only really noticeable if looking out for it (if sources are the same), so imagine it would be more noticeable on an 85". I do find that a 1080p Blu-ray looks and sounds better than 4k streamed on NetFlix etc though.
Ultimately it comes down to content not being made in 8K. The cost for producing content in 8K is insane and any rendering or processing takes well over twice as long as 4K because you hit other bottlenecks along the way such as storage, network, CPU, GPU speed etc. The jump from HD to 4K was tough enough
All things being equivalent, 8k requires 4x more data than 4k. And 16x more than bog-standard HD.
The current status of 8K movies
Warner has now scanned 35-40 titles in 8K or higher
www.flatpanelshd.com
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Not really, the issue is that the dark scenes are dark so you can't see anything. At least on an LCD you get some grey to show outlines of stuff.
Edit, or do you mean skewing the black level? I was under the impression you could change the settings for brightness, but dark was also black (although not messed with the TV settings for a while), I can get around it in some games, but not all give me the adjustment. Switching profiles is annoying as well, not sure if there is an auto way of doing it as you need to set up several profiles as you'd need one for SDR, one for her, one for Dolby.
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Like i said there's a couple of settings you can use to lift shadow detail. Obviously on your panel it may be different to mine but i have BT.1886 set to +1 and Shadow Detail set to +2 you can also use Contrast Enhancer but that works on the bright stuff as well so is a bit of a compromise. On mine that works really well for daylight viewing. I think my daytime profile is based on Movie mode as well rather than Film Maker mode i use for dark viewing.
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3d, 8k, curved.
I haven't enjoyed the cinema since a half decent TV looks better and when you add in Atmos at home there's little reason to go.
I can't stand blacks that are grey anymore, projectors all look washed out to me.
Got to agree about the Atmos. Ive recently installed 2 ceiling speakers, so not the full Atmos and i much prefer the sound over the cinema. I guess its because my setup is dialled in for just 1 seating position to give maximum effect.
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