9/11 - Controlled demolition?

Gman said:
got the 4000ft figure from here http://www.rense.com/general69/calls.htm although them seem to get that from another article/publications so no proof on the accuracy of the figure.

this site seems to run a number of mobile phone test at different altitudes and records the results.
http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles.htm
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that is interesting, as I said I'm no expert. The other explanation, is that everyone including the media and authorities made a lot of mistakes in the weeks fallowing the incident. Which is understandable considering the scale.

I'm off to read some conspiracy sites about the mobile phones and some sites taht disprove the conspiracy. See if I can find more. However I dont think it changes anything. You still have the WTC and pentagon planes.
 
AcidHell2 said:
that is interesting, as I said I'm no expert. The other explanation, is that everyone including the media and authorities made a lot of mistakes in the weeks fallowing the incident. Which is understandable considering the scale.

I'm off to read some conspiracy sites about the mobile phones and some sites taht disprove the conspiracy. See if I can find more. However I dont think it changes anything. You still have the WTC and pentagon planes.
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true I think the conspiracy's around flight 93 were mainly regarding was it brought down by the passengers as the gov claim making everyone onboad hero's enforced by the mobile calls to add a more human feel to the incident or did the US gov shoot it down.

but like everything unless your the ones with all the first hand facts not some article quoting from another article and so on its kind hard to make a definitive assessment either way.
 
Gman said:
got the 4000ft figure from here http://www.rense.com/general69/calls.htm
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Along with the paranormal, ghosts, UFO's, alien autopsy and the rest of the tin foil hat things on that site. Not to be taken seriously at all.

I can tell you for fact that coming home from Menorca in about 1999 we were delayed for 4 hours and when the plane levelled out I made a call from my Philips D12. The bloke behind me caught me and proceeded to do the same.
 
can someone explain to me why, if mobile phones don't work at cruising altitude, are you prohibited from using one?
surely if they didn't work then nobody would try to?
 
The_Dark_Side said:
can someone explain to me why, if mobile phones don't work at cruising altitude, are you prohibited from using one?
surely if they didn't work then nobody would try to?
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Your phone would constantly be seeking for a cell to connect to. So it would be repeatedly radiating a signal looking for a tower, its this EM radiation that airlines have feared might mess up the controls or navigation systems on a plane.
 
Sleepy said:
Your phone would constantly be seeking for a cell to connect to. So it would be repeatedly radiating a signal looking for a tower, its this EM radiation that airlines have feared might mess up the controls or navigation systems on a plane.
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but if that were the case don't you think the official line when on an aircraft would be.."don't try to use your mobile phone onboard, it won't work" ?
 
dmpoole said:
Along with the paranormal, ghosts, UFO's, alien autopsy and the rest of the tin foil hat things on that site. Not to be taken seriously at all.

I can tell you for fact that coming home from Menorca in about 1999 we were delayed for 4 hours and when the plane levelled out I made a call from my Philips D12. The bloke behind me caught me and proceeded to do the same.
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Im just going top quote this because there is some First hand experience.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
but if that were the case don't you think the official line when on an aircraft would be.."don't try to use your mobile phone onboard, it won't work" ?
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Well no, because on the ground it will work. It could also have the potential to interfere with the plane's systems then, at a potentially more critical time than mid-flight.

Whether or not mobile phones have been proven to interfere with airplane systems, I have no idea. It could just be another "turns your mobile phones off at petrol stations" situation :)
 
The_Dark_Side said:
can someone explain to me why, if mobile phones don't work at cruising altitude, are you prohibited from using one?
surely if they didn't work then nobody would try to?
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During the 90's I've seen dozens of people making phone calls from planes with their mobiles but people are so brainwashed now that they don't even try it.
We could do with some older plane travelling members in this thread to confirm this but older people don't generally believe in stupid conspiracies.
However, one airline/university/research lab did tests not long ago and said that mobile phones are not a threat to a planes aviation.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
but if that were the case don't you think the official line when on an aircraft would be.."don't try to use your mobile phone onboard, it won't work" ?
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But that wouldn't be correct cos some of the time your phone would work. It would also encourage people to try on the off chance their phone would work.
 
dmpoole said:
Along with the paranormal, ghosts, UFO's, alien autopsy and the rest of the tin foil hat things on that site. Not to be taken seriously at all.

I can tell you for fact that coming home from Menorca in about 1999 we were delayed for 4 hours and when the plane levelled out I made a call from my Philips D12. The bloke behind me caught me and proceeded to do the same.
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got to agree about that link it's not the best, but I like how you conveniently skipped over the link (http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles.htm) which has someone conducting quite a few mobile phone tests at a range of altitudes. Not that theres any physical proof that this guy conducted them under controlled test conditions etc , but at the moment I've got as much reason to believe his comments as much as yours, granted your not trying to prove a theory with yours just stating experiences so could be more unbiased.

On a side note to all this but keeping on the same theme as the mobile phone calls, can you people tell me your honest response to this situation please.

Situation: You on a hijacked plane, and you make a call to your mother either to tell her whats happening or say your last goodbyes etc.

Question: What would be the very first line you said to your mother when she answers the phone? So you've dialed the number she's picked up and said "Hello..." what would your response be given the situation above? just the very first line please.
 
Gman said:
Question: What would be the very first line you said to your mother when she answers the phone? So you've dialed the number she's picked up and said "Hello..." what would your response be given the situation above? just the very first line please.
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So I'm actually pooing my pants and I've rang my mother?
I'd probably say something like "Mum, its me Dave your son, I'm honestly not messing around but I'm on a plane and we've been hijacked"

Went into our messroom today at work and asked about twenty blokes if any of them have used a mobile on an airplane. One of them said he used his last week coming back from Marmaris. About three of them said they've used their mobiles in the past.
 
Gman said:
Situation: You on a hijacked plane, and you make a call to your mother either to tell her whats happening or say your last goodbyes etc.

Question: What would be the very first line you said to your mother when she answers the phone? So you've dialed the number she's picked up and said "Hello..." what would your response be given the situation above? just the very first line please.
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It would undoubtedly be "Mum, it's Mark Bingham". Without a question, there is nothing else I would even consider saying in such a situation.

But lets not go down that route. To think that the US government hijacked the planes, flew the passengers to a secret location, sent calls (some containing personal information) to relatives (some of which you wouldn't naturally assume of calling; boyfriends, etc.), planted their personal effects in the wreckage and have kept these passengers hostage for the past five years is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

He probably wanted to save time by being precise. On the off-chance that she didn't catch the first word ("Mum"), she would still know it was him. Mark is a common name, after all. He wasn't in a situation to let her assume who it was. His voice was probably panicky; it would have been difficult for his mother to decipher what he was saying. The reception might not have been good, he might have been calling from a number unknown to her (did he use his cell phone or an AirFone? I don't know)
 
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Al Vallario said:
He probably wanted to save time by being precise. Mark is a common name - his mother might have known a whole load of people called Mark, and he wasn't in a situation to let her assume who it was.
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Just to explain why I would say to my own mother "Mum, its me Dave your son, I'm honestly not messing around but I'm on a plane and we've been hijacked"

My Mum worked in a dept of around 30 men and every one of them called her Mum so even now I ring her with the opening lines "Its Dave your son". Since I'm known for practical jokes and messing around I would tell her I wasn't.
Mark Bingham was crapping himself and the poster wonders why he said what he did.
 
Nelson said:
Collapsing upper floors create air pressure that blows dust/debris out of open windows or blows windows out. The internal floors would have been 'pancaking' prior to the external visible structure failing.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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Thankyou, saves me explaining.
 
dmpoole said:
So I'm actually pooing my pants and I've rang my mother?
I'd probably say something like "Mum, its me Dave your son, I'm honestly not messing around but I'm on a plane and we've been hijacked"
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Yep thats probably roughly the same response as me and quite a few others i've asked, just seems a little odd that the transcripts of the recorded convo started by the passenger stating his full name to his own mother i.e. "Hi mom it's your son Mark Smith........." I don;t know a single person who would start a convo with there mother like that but saying that I've never been in that sort of situation so who knows.
 
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