9/11 - Controlled demolition?

IceBus said:
Stolly - If you could, detail in a paragraph what the primary reason for the war in Iraq was then?

different argument altogether

the argument ive quoted from you is whether the US used the 9/11 as an excuse to go to war with iraq

the argument that started at the beginning of the thread was whether the twin towers could possibly have been brought down by the planes. The conspiracy theory was that explosives had to have been used to bring down the towers. Which of course is complete and utter nonsense. As posted above, the towers fell because the designers never considered that a fire like that could start. What fires usually start in office buildings ? the odd electrical fire, maybe a wastepaper bin or so. Not a huge fireball engulfing several floors. A fire that big, once started couldnt be stopped. Because the designers never imagined it getting that big. The idea was that the sprinklers would stop the fire before it got that big. But of course a few sprinklers were useless against a 747 flying bomb.

And of course the eyewitness' reported a bomb, the plane exploded on impact !!

as for whether the US used this an excuse to go to war with a made up WMD threat, that i think may hold some truth.
 
R124/LA420 said:
Adolf Hitler.

:rolleyes:

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(last sentance is the "key" to this thread, and its reasons"
 
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Gman said:
The FBI also confirm that there were at least 13 mobile phone calls all of which had no billing record.

I have heard in the past and i dont know if it is BS, but aparently because of the speed at which the mobile is moving from mast to mast, causes billing problems for the provider.
 
Nelson said:
Collapsing upper floors create air pressure that blows dust/debris out of open windows or blows windows out. The internal floors would have been 'pancaking' prior to the external visible structure failing.
Precisely - all that air which occupied the floor space (and that's a lot of air!) had to go somewhere.

Nelson said:
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Goodness knows.
 
Gman said:
The FBI also confirm that there were at least 13 mobile phone calls all of which had no billing record.

The funny thing is, that most of these type of statements are completely unsubstanciated. The only reference I can find of this story is, wait for it....The Daily Mail!!!.....In other words, completely made up to try strengthen an argument based on total crap to try and draw attention to themselves...
 
AcidHell2 said:
I love this, its a myth that mobile phones can be an ignition source. Also think he missed the point about the new system..

Its more to do with if you drop a phone the damage could create a spark, thus being an ignition source.
 
Bony Maloney said:
I didn't see this link in the thread : http://www.loosechange911.com/. Make of it what you will. (click on the link a 3rd down the page to view the vid)

Loose change is a very poor peice of tabloid style investigation.

Watch "Truth and lies of 9/11" or "Denial stops here" both by Mike Ruppert or the video in my sig if you want something worthwhile.
 
Samtheman1k said:
I would if the video wasn't 1hour 44mins long!!!! Which bit are you on about ffs?????

Calm down. It occurs in the first 10-20minutes, but if you don't want to watch it unedited, fast forward to 25mins in for them all put together.
 
IceBus said:
Calm down. It occurs in the first 10-20minutes, but if you don't want to watch it unedited, fast forward to 25mins in for them all put together.


A few extra explosions prove what exactly though? Why would extra explosives be planted.

Give me means and motive and I might listen to the idea.
 
if the US govt can't successfully cover up the fact that they are shipping people around the world to secret CIA centres how do people reckon they can cover up blowing up the a huge building and killing a few thousand of their own people?


it would simply have too many people involved...in fact in a conspiracy if more than 1 person knows about stuff you are shafted anyway...as soon as more than 1 person knows whats going on it becomes harder to keep it quiet and the more you have involved, the greater the risks..

but my point still stands..if they cant hide a few people away without folks getting wind of it how could they blow up 3 thousand people and a huge landmark and people wont find out
 
FTM said:
but my point still stands..if they cant hide a few people away without folks getting wind of it how could they blow up 3 thousand people and a huge landmark and people wont find out

I only agree with this argument if you think the towers were destroyed by explosives and a missile hit the pentagon etc etc. To simply allow the attacks to happen would take a lot less people and this is what all the real evidence points to.

You had no idea the stelth bomber had been built until they unvailed it, so secets can be kept.
 
MookJong said:
A few extra explosions prove what exactly though? Why would extra explosives be planted.

Give me means and motive and I might listen to the idea.

Well first of all it severly calls into doubt the assertion that the tower collapse was caused by fire weakening the structure. The towers only started going down after the explosions.

It's even more obvious for Tower 1 - 44mins into the video.

Means - demolition explosives planted at structural weak points.

Motive - Carte blanche for a war on terror.

FTM said:
if the US govt can't successfully cover up the fact that they are shipping people around the world to secret CIA centres how do people reckon they can cover up blowing up the a huge building and killing a few thousand of their own people?

it would simply have too many people involved...in fact in a conspiracy if more than 1 person knows about stuff you are shafted anyway...as soon as more than 1 person knows whats going on it becomes harder to keep it quiet and the more you have involved, the greater the risks..

but my point still stands..if they cant hide a few people away without folks getting wind of it how could they blow up 3 thousand people and a huge landmark and people wont find out

As I've said before, compartmentalisation worked fine for the Manhattan Project which was arguably even more significant.
 
IceBus said:
Well first of all it severly calls into doubt the assertion that the tower collapse was caused by fire weakening the structure. The towers only started going down after the explosions.

It's even more obvious for Tower 1 - 44mins into the video.

Means - demolition explosives planted at structural weak points.

Motive - Carte blanche for a war on terror.
It makes no sense, how would they know the planes wouldn't bring the towers down anyway? and if the planes couldn't have brought the towers down then doesn't it look a bit odd that they fell?

People always say that the fire couldn't have brought the towers down which I agree with, and that fire has never brought down a steel building etc etc but what they fail to notice is the plane ripping right into the building like a knife totally weakening the structure.
 
MookJong said:
It makes no sense, how would they know the planes wouldn't bring the towers down anyway? and if the planes couldn't have brought the towers down then doesn't it look a bit odd that they fell?


How would they know? They'd have the blueprints and a lot of researcher power to analyse likely scenarios for a plane impact.

I agree, it does look odd.

MookJong said:
People always say that the fire couldn't have brought the towers down which I agree with, and that fire has never brought down a steel building etc etc but what they fail to notice is the plane ripping right into the building like a knife totally weakening the structure.

How did Building 7 fall then? No planes hit it, and it's the first ever recorded incident of a steel building collapsing due to fire.
 
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