9/11 - Controlled demolition?

[SexyGreyFox]

I was on Flight 77.
The flight went missing off the radar for 8 minutes (or longer) which gave us time to land and take all the passengers off.
I'm not sure what they replaced us with but it looked like an airplane come missile type thing.
Since 9/11 we've been given new identities and all our families think we are dead and had to go through phoney funerals but I'm laughing all the way to the bank.
Has it been worth it? - of course, America could start a war even though 'finding' WMD's would have been much easier and I'm very rich.
My neighbour is a bit of an arse though - he's called Elvis something or other.

 

[growse]

also it didn't reach anywhere near the melting point for steel, if you look at the images from that day you will see that the fires were giving of mainly thick black smoke this is a sign that they were not burning anywere near at their optimal tempertures due to lack of oxygen.

Do you have a metallurgy degree? Do you understand what a phase diagram is? It doesn't seem so. Please shut up and stop posting crap which you have read elsewhere and therefore believe to be true. Part of my degree was in metallurgy, I do understand how steel behaves when you heat it up, and I'm telling you you're spouting crap.

Stop it.

 

[Gman]

I was on Flight 77.
The flight went missing off the radar for 8 minutes (or longer) which gave us time to land and take all the passengers off.
I'm not sure what they replaced us with but it looked like an airplane come missile type thing.
Since 9/11 we've been given new identities and all our families think we are dead and had to go through phoney funerals but I'm laughing all the way to the bank.
Has it been worth it? - of course, America could start a war even though 'finding' WMD's would have been much easier and I'm very rich.
My neighbour is a bit of an arse though - he's called Elvis something or other.

Bull plop , I say the US gov hovered one of the captured UFO's over the plane and beamed it up then beamed down the rocket. I've even got some eye witness proof with people seeing bright lights in the sky at the time.

 

[L0rdMike]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=911+conspiracy

Dunno if its been posted in here but I think its worth the watch, does get you thinking what if...

 

[Gman]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=911+conspiracy

Dunno if its been posted in here but I think its worth the watch, does get you thinking what if...

yep been posted a couple of time already its the Loosechange video under a different name. It's worth watching although it's best to go to toher sources after that provide explanations to the things in that vid then mike as much of a valid opinaio as possible although theres always going to be some doubt.

Thats whats good about this thread, gives us a place to bounce ideas about.

 

[leaskovski]

It amazes me that this is still being talked about. CT's always crack me up. Interesting they maybe, but you know they will never be solved.

 

[IceBus]

The "eyewitnesses claimed they heard explosions" claim is a load of rubbish and you know it. What if an eyewitness claimed they saw bunny rabbits falling down the lift shafts whilst singing the national anthem? Would you believe them? Besides, the entire "explosions on the lower floor" concept is moot, because the buildings collapsed from the top down.

Try being open to ideas and actually watch the video. If you still can't hear explosions there's not much I can say.

MrLOL - it's the fact the explosions occurred right before WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed - in the concussive style associated with demolition explosives. Watch the video before discounting this please. I know it's long but watch it in bits if you have to.

Still no one has watched the entire video and been able to explain away the explosions.

I honestly don't know about the Pentagon as there seems to be a lot of strong evidence on either side. I think the strangest thing to me is the way the tapes from other sources, which had CCTV footage of the flight the plane would have taken, were immediately seized and never shown as they could immediately cast aside any confusion. There were meant to be about 5-7 cameras all operating (petrol stations, other buildings etc.) that would have caught the plane's approach.

Will people PLEASE watch the video below with explosions/analysis of what sounded like explosions:-

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603

24mins for WTC2 and 44mins for WTC1

 

[aardvark]

Try being open to ideas and actually watch the video. If you still can't hear explosions there's not much I can say.

MrLOL - it's the fact the explosions occurred right before WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed - in the concussive style associated with demolition explosives. Watch the video before discounting this please. I know it's long but watch it in bits if you have to.

Still no one has watched the entire video and been able to explain away the explosions.

I honestly don't know about the Pentagon as there seems to be a lot of strong evidence on either side. I think the strangest thing to me is the way the tapes from other sources, which had CCTV footage of the flight the plane would have taken, were immediately seized and never shown as they could immediately cast aside any confusion. There were meant to be about 5-7 cameras all operating (petrol stations, other buildings etc.) that would have caught the plane's approach.

Will people PLEASE watch the video below with explosions/analysis of what sounded like explosions:-

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603

24mins for WTC2 and 44mins for WTC1

i watched it - and if you think that sounds like explosions then you haven't heard many explosions! - that was the sound of each floor hitting the other as it smashes its way down.
If they were explosions then everybody would have heard them, everyone in new york - about 19 million people - demolition explosions are really really loud.

why do people not believe the official investigations when the evidence is open and available to see by everyone??? probably the same reason people think we didn't land on the moon or that the holocost didn't hapen - because they are idiots.

 

[Al Vallario]

Try being open to ideas and actually watch the video. If you still can't hear explosions there's not much I can say.

I am open to ideas, but when it comes to the US government covertly installing huge amounts of explosives in the twin towers, detonating them to coincide with a terrorist act to bring down the buildings when it is quite clear (the fact that it actually happens sure supports this) that the plane impacts alone would have been enough to bring them down... I'm rendered speechless.

Still, since you've persisted in ramming it down our throats, I guess I'll have a look at the video:

24 Minutes

- Dust clouds rising from the base? I can't explain that straight-off, but if they were the result of explosions you'd think people down at ground level would have noticed.

- Explosion #2? Can't hear a thing.

- Explosion #3 doesn't sound like much of an explosion to me. That could be anything from someone tapping the microphone to someone dropping something heavy. There's no explanation of where this microphone is (surely the sound is not recorded from the camera across the Hudson?).

- Explosion #4, again can't hear it.

- Explosions #5-8? Faint, and they don't sound much like explosions to me. Again, they sound could be anything from lifts falling down the shafts to supports buckling or floors pancaking.

- Explosion #9? Doesn't sound anything like an explosion to me.

44 Minutes

That's the floors pancaking, there is no doubt about it.


That video is incredibly hard to get my head around (what with the stupid audio overlays, daft commentary and total lack of order), but I think I can safely say that evidence is about as damning as the eyewitness I described earlier who saw bunny rabbits falling down the lift shaft singing the national anthem.

There is nothing significant there at all; we don't know where the microphone is and the sounds could be any number of things. I haven't heard anything about these explosions, or attention drawn to the "mysterious" dust clouds before, and I doubt it's of any significance whatsoever. I can tell you now that the likelihood of the government demolishing the buildings by controlled demolition is zero, and I hasten to add as I mentioned earlier, that the buildings fell from the top down. Explosions at the bottom would not have made any difference whatsoever, and the sounds during the collapse are, I assure you 235%, the floors pancaking.

 

[Jet]

MrLOL - it's the fact the explosions occurred right before WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed - in the concussive style associated with demolition explosives. Watch the video before discounting this please. I know it's long but watch it in bits if you have to.

Wrong. One of the last few issues of TIME magazine had an article on the conspiracy surrounding 9/11 and debunked most of the popular ones. This being one of them.

Seismologists have proven that the only seismic activity occured when the towers actually fell. Not slightly before. And I think explosives big enough to bring down the tower would have registered on the scale.

 

[Overlag]

MrLOL - it's the fact the explosions occurred right before WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed - in the concussive style associated with demolition explosives. Watch the video before discounting this please. I know it's long but watch it in bits if you have to.

ive watched this video a few times, as it showed "new" footage i had not seen.... anyway i hear NO explosions AT all in this video. What i do hear is like steel failing down....

....while my tescos was getting refitted, a steel beam slipped from one of the cranes... and probably fell less than 3 feet. the noise sounds simular to this.

or, lets say a channel ferry when things barely touch the side of the boat, the noise is just like this.

 

[Gman]

watched parts of the video and it tends to drag quite a bit instead of pointing out what it's getting at then pushing the point.

i'm one of the people who will sit in the middle really but like to wonder but got to agree with Al Vallario that most of the explosions mentioned on there are very very hard to hear even with them filtering and increasing the sound it's still very hard to hear.

anyone got any explanations on how the seccond tower went with regards to it's direction. If you look at the footage as it's just about to go the full top half above the impact area seems to lean quite a lot looking like it was just going to topple off then suddenly the pancake effect takes hold and down it goes.

So why didn't the top half just topple like it was going to? or was it something to do with the steel structure that kind of just went on one side but the other side still kept it up?

 

[Cheekykid]

A must dvd to see is 9/11 in plane site 'Directors cut'. Also have a look on these 1) go to this page www.thepowerhour.com and check the CNN video with Glenn Beck. Look how ridiculously ingores Daves message by attacking him.
2) Listen to this recorded clip http://rapidshare.de/files/32429795/9-11.wma.html
which was recorded by me directly from the famous american internet radio coast to coast. It was broadcasted after pentagon released those 2 dodgy frames showing a white thing crashing on to the pentagon.

See for yourself that definetely there is something dodgy.

 

[Radiation]

I've not read much of this thread and i don't think i need to really as much has been said before, anyway i just watched this video which has probably been posted but as it was a shorter 36 minute one i decided to take a quick look, parts i've seen but there was plenty new i had not so it was worth it.

I've seen enough good evidence for a 'conspiracy' more so than i have for the reported official 'real' evidence, i would like to see a video that try's to show the official story but nothing has ever really altered my opinion on the matter, so i think it must have been a controlled demolition sadly and very worryingly.

The only other thing i will add is that the idea of pancaking seems quite unlikely with the major support structure in the middle, anyway I've seen enough and the evidence against the 'official' storey is more convincing than anything the government or media has shown, a passport flying out of an explosion and landing intact on the ground? Yeah right!

 

[Al Vallario]

A must dvd to see is 9/11 in plane site 'Directors cut'. Also have a look on these 1) go to this page www.thepowerhour.com and check the CNN video with Glenn Beck. Look how ridiculously ingores Daves message by attacking him.

He listens to him and treats him exactly like he deserves to be treated. This Dave vonKleist sounds like a complete idiot. He's got his facts tangled, his sources sound unlikely to say the least and what he's doing is denouncing the official story and failing to provide an alternative on the basis that doing so would make him a "conspiracy theorist". The fact is, there is no alternative. The facts for example:

- There was actually a considerable amount of wreckage from the plane recovered from the scene. All of the wreckage supported the official story that a 757 hit the Pentagon (see photos here: http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html), and there was no opportunity for this to be planted
- Of course the grass remained untouched; the plane did not slide across the ground as so many conspiracy theorists believe it must have done
- The hole in the wall was big enough for a 757, although I've already done this point to death

I'm quite honestly shocked that people can believe the rubbish these conspiracy theorists come up with. "Loose Change", for example, must be creating an army of easily-manipulated, ill-informed conspiracy theorists every minute...

 

[Al Vallario]

I've not read much of this thread and i don't think i need to really as much has been said before, anyway i just watched this video which has probably been posted but as it was a shorter 36 minute one i decided to take a quick look, parts i've seen but there was plenty new i had not so it was worth it.

For future reference, forming an opinion based on biased conspiracy theorist videos filled to the hilt with mis-information is not a good idea.

I've seen enough good evidence for a 'conspiracy' more so than i have for the reported official 'real' evidence, i would like to see a video that try's to show the official story but nothing has ever really altered my opinion on the matter, so i think it must have been a controlled demolition sadly and very worryingly.

Unfortunately there are no videos supporting the official story, because there's no need for them - the official story actually happened. However, I would love to compose a video that does away with all these tiresome conspiracy theories once and for all. If I had the required skills, I wouldn't give it a second thought.

The only other thing i will add is that the idea of pancaking seems quite unlikely with the major support structure in the middle

How does it seem unlikely? The unique design of WTC1, 2 and 7 made pancaking almost inevitable. The "major support structure" that was the core of the building would just have crumbled as the floors fell down around it.

I've seen enough and the evidence against the 'official' storey is more convincing than anything the government or media has shown, a passport flying out of an explosion and landing intact on the ground? Yeah right!

Have you not seen any footage from that day? There was paper flying all over the place, covering Manhattan. I have no doubt whatsoever that passports would have been retrieved from the rubble, still intact.

 

[leaskovski]

- Dust clouds rising from the base? I can't explain that straight-off, but if they were the result of explosions you'd think people down at ground level would have noticed.

Did anyone watch the last two programmes about the collapse? The one on C4 and the other on BBC1? The guys that survived in the north tower on floor 5 (or around about that level) said when the building started to collapse, a rush of air got pushed down from the top of the building to the bottom. This probably pushed a load of dust and carp up (caused by the plane strikes) from the ground level. Could be.

Edit, probably the same reason for the dust streaming out of the side of the building ina video that someone posted earlier saying that these are controlled explosions. Again more like windows open and dust being pushed through.

 

[Cheekykid]

I'm quite honestly shocked that people can believe the rubbish these conspiracy theorists come up with. "Loose Change", for example, must be creating an army of easily-manipulated, ill-informed conspiracy theorists every minute...

And yet the links you provide don't really prove anything to the contrary. Also you seem to ignore the message by attacking the messenger as Dave said.
The many videos that have been made have some very,very solid points that have never been answered and simply cannot be disproved by 'mumbo jumbo' sites like 911myths.

 

[growse]

And yet the links you provide don't really prove anything to the contrary.

Yes they do. It's been explained about 4 million times in this thread as well as countless others. You obviously can't read.

 

[Cheekykid]

Yes they do. It's been explained about 4 million times in this thread as well as countless others. You obviously can't read.

So we have finally found a site that has the 'truth' and we should all go there to get it. You are acting as obsessed as some theorists. You are ready to argue for evidence and ideas that have never been yours. Whatever