9/11 - Controlled demolition?

[Al Vallario]

In case anyone missed it:

Loose Change Guide

Yes, the Loose Change Guide also comes highly recommended. Reading through it does really shine a whole new light on "Loose Change", and you begin to realise how crafty and manipulative the makers were when creating it. They don't necessarily lie, but half-truths, quotes being taken out of context and other forms of deception are rife throughout.

It's shocking that so many people find videos such as "Loose Change" on YouTube/Google Video then assume they are experts on the September 11th attacks

 

[The_Dark_Side]

In case anyone missed it:

Loose Change Guide

i think even this lot can find something posted 7 posts and 12 minutes ago mate.

 

[sidthesexist]

yeah right, cos a missile could knock down a load of street lamps. Move a very heavy generator..

also the reason it's a hole is the wings and tail plane are very weak, the pentagon is a reinforced structure. there for the fuselage penetrated. It is the correct size hole for the aircraft.

the fuselage may have penetrated fair enough but in doing so would have torn the wings off and left the debris outside (early photo's show no penetration damage from the engines) and yet no wing debris has ever been found and only a small peice of what is supposidly one of the engines (disputed by the people who make the engines) the excuse used for their being no wing debris is due to an intense fire, something that is clearly not true due to other photo's showing paper and books undamaged and something i dont believe has ever happened in any previous aircrash? also if the fire was suposidly so intense how come some of the bodies/remains were reputedly identified from fingerprints?

 

[pinkacidbootson]

You are assuming that since some things were destroyed, then everything else must have also been destroyed. But think back to the WTC towers; some of the debri found on the ground at the site afterwards included an aircraft seat, paper from the offices that got hit aswell as the wallet of one of the hijackers.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

also if the fire was suposidly so intense how come some of the bodies/remains were reputedly identified from fingerprints?

why, when talking about spontaneous human combustion can a body be destroyed by fire to a degree a crematorium cannot achieve....yet the chair they were sitting on is barely singed?
because you and i are not qualified in these specific areas. (unless you work for the NTSB or the like)

just because the layman cannot come up with, or understand, the explanation does not mean there isn't one.

 

[sidthesexist]

aswell as the wallet of one of the hijackers.

along with his passport that supposidly passed through a building that was reputedly burning so hot it melted steel along with surviving the crash itself and yet was found in a clearly readable state and was easily found instead of being buried under tonnes of rubble? /me puts on his tin foil hat and remembers the JFK magic bullet

 

[The_Dark_Side]

/me puts on his tin foil hat and remembers the JFK magic bullet

the magic bullet theory that conspiracy theorists invented you mean?
you do know the explanation for that don't you?

 

[-Colli$ion-]

Ok lets get back to motive then. treat it as a crime scene.

What is the American governments motive to kill its own people, structures and economy.

Ever heard of the 'Greater Good'?

How many people died? and how many people are in the america?

If the people who died gave america a plausable reason to invade iraq, which happens to have x amount of oil. So to maintain x billion peoples lifestyles and way of life? would it be worth it in your eyes? more importantly would it be worth it in the eyes of the american government?

Think about this logically (without terrorists)

The world is running out of oil, america is the biggest user of oil (may be incorrect), Iraq has a lot of oil?? enough motive for you.

Then again could just be terrorists with a politcal agenda.

Note:
may be talking crap been on the beer all day sorry lol

 

[Al Vallario]

may be talking crap been on the beer all day sorry lol

Yes, yes you are. Destroying some of the most important buildings in the country, killing 3000 of their citizens, causing untold damage to their national economy and sparking widespread fear... as a pretext for war? Somehow I'm not convinced...

along with his passport that supposidly passed through a building that was reputedly burning so hot it melted steel along with surviving the crash itself and yet was found in a clearly readable state and was easily found instead of being buried under tonnes of rubble? /me puts on his tin foil hat and remembers the JFK magic bullet

You might want to have a look at this link: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Yes, yes you are. Destroying some of the most important buildings in the country, killing 3000 of their citizens, causing untold damage to their national economy and sparking widespread fear... as a pretext for war? Somehow I'm not convinced...

i tend to think that too many people watched "the long kiss goodnight" and thought....hmmm wait a minute!!

 

[pinkacidbootson]

along with his passport that supposidly passed through a building that was reputedly burning so hot it melted steel along with surviving the crash itself and yet was found in a clearly readable state and was easily found instead of being buried under tonnes of rubble?

Only conspiracy theorists claim that it was hot enough to melt the steel of the building. The real explanation of the affect of the heat on the steel is that it was weakened (steel loses 50% of its strength at around 650 degrees C). Many CTists put a spin on the whole 'melting steel' thing by saying that the fuel burns at 800 degrees C but steel doesn't melt until it reaches something like 1500 degrees C, completely ignoring the fact that it loses a substantial amount of its strength at lower temperatures.

You are also again assuming that it is impossible for anything from the area of the impact to survive, yet it is true that some office furniture, aircraft components, aswell as papers and files form the offices of WTC did fall to the ground intact. What's so hard to understand about that?

 

[sidthesexist]

the fact that a paper passport is supposed to pass through a burning/exploding aircraft the through the burning building is what i find unbelievable

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Only conspiracy theorists claim that it was hot enough to melt the steel of the building. The real explanation of the affect of the heat on the steel is that it was weakened

wasn't there an inspection of the truss fire proofing in progress at the time of the tragedy?
IIRC the guy doing the survey had only checked out 20 floors or so and had said the fire retardent material and it's application got worse the higher up the building you go...and that by the 20th floor it was, in his opinion, sub standard.
one can only assume that by the time you reach the impacted floors there was little or no fire protection on the trusses at all.

 

[Biohazard]

its something that will never get cleared up due to its nature. This will be subject to conjecture for as long as people remember

 

[pinkacidbootson]

the fact that a paper passport is supposed to pass through a burning/exploding aircraft the through the burning building is what i find unbelievable

But not impossible. Have you read the link i posted?

 

[Biohazard]

But not impossible. Have you read the link i posted?

the likely hood of that actually happening is ridiculous

 

[The_Dark_Side]

the fact that a paper passport is supposed to pass through a burning/exploding aircraft the through the burning building is what i find unbelievable

i find it unbelievable that someone could fall 30 thousand feet from an airliner, without a parachute, and survive suffering only 2 broken legs.

would you say falling 5 miles and surviving was believable?
no, neither would i, although Guinness seem to disagree.

 

[Biohazard]

i find it unbelievable that someone could fall 30 thousand feet from an airliner, without a parachute, and survive suffering only 2 broken legs.

would you say falling 5 miles and surviving was believable?
no, neither would i, although Guinness seem to disagree.

but out of all the people on the plane it would turn out to be a terrorists passport, lying there all neat and tidy for the local constabulary to pick up. hmm

 

[sidthesexist]

its something that will never get cleared up due to its nature. This will be subject to conjecture for as long as people remember

the reason it will never be cleared up is due to the number of questions that the authorities dont answer/ seem to give blatently false information about. for instance the pentagon one of the most protected buildings in the world with numerous cctv camera's and yet they release only half a dozen frames of footage? they have also confiscated cctv tapes from all surrounding buildings, all they would have to do is release an unedited tapes showing the plane hitting and it would be conspiricy over but will they do that nope.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

the likely hood of that actually happening is ridiculous

the likelyhood of an individual winning the lotter is 14 million to one, yet millions of britons think this is worth the risk and strangely almost every week someone beats those odds.

i also note you said ridiculous and not impossible...interesting choice of word.