9/11 Tape to be Released

As is so easily predicted:

All those that think it's a conspiracy will continue to think it's a conspiracy by coming up with some explanation suitable to their world view

All those that don't think it's a conspiracy will continue to think it isn't a conspiracy by adding it to the evidence they consider acceptable.

Perhaps a few people in the middle might change their minds, but IMO virtually everyone comes into one camp or the other as described so I very much doubt this will lead to much opinion change if at all.
 
fatiain said:
I'm trying to point out that the various conspiracy theories about the Pentagon attack are crap.
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Agreed, some are crap, but some are not. I assume you think that anyone who believes something other than a plane hit the pentagon has an opinion that is "crap"?
 
History has shown that goverments will hurt its own people for the chance for the country to grow, Peral Habour ( sending a lot of the best ships out to sea knowing there was a attack coming) JFK ( tried to get rid of the CIA and he wouldnt send troops to Vietnam, thus the goverment chiefs would have lost arms contracts to build helicopters.) The JFK records will only be allowed to be shown to the public in ?2020.
ARRB law, all assassination related documents that have not been destroyed will be made public by 2017.
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9/11 caused to many military actions and not enough genuine anwsers. The actions have got the USA nowhere.
 
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Mulder said:
Agreed, some are crap, but some are not. I assume you think that anyone who believes something other than a plane hit the pentagon has an opinion that is "crap"?
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When the video comes out and proves me right, yes.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8116136404949691010&q=plane++concrete

Look, can you see how the wings of the planes would have disappeared now??????

The main part of the plane is bigger which would have created more force and surface area to be able to penetrate the walls of the pentagon.
But the wings are small with less surface area so wouldnt have created as much force so would have just turned to dust.
 
Are these the stills from the new or the old Video.

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I do not believe 9/11 was a conspiracy. I genuinly believe it did happen by terrorists.
But with the DoD releasing the Pentagon tape, what will it dissaprove about the conspiracy theories?
 
cheets64 said:
History has shown that goverments will hurt its own people for the chance for the country to grow, Peral Habour ( sending a lot of the best ships out to sea knowing there was a attack coming) JFK ( tried to get rid of the CIA and he wouldnt send troops to Vietnam, thus the goverment chiefs would have lost arms contracts to build helicopters.) The JFK records will only be allowed to be shown to the public in ?2020.

9/11 caused to many military actions and not enough genuine anwsers. The actions have got the USA nowhere.
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Rome wans't built in a day, but due to 9/11...the U.S as a nation is losing its essence and it's freedoms...essentially the liberals haven't benefitted but the Republicans and their ideologies have benefited.
 
Zip said:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8116136404949691010&q=plane++concrete

Look, can you see how the wings of the planes would have disappeared now??????

The main part of the plane is bigger which would have created more force and surface area to be able to penetrate the walls of the pentagon.
But the wings are small with less surface area so wouldnt have created as much force so would have just turned to dust.
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The wall is completely different to the pentagons wall, The Pentagon wall has windows so its going to be about 500,000 times weaker.

Atomic said:
Rome wans't built in a day, but due to 9/11...the U.S as a nation is losing its essence and it's freedoms...essentially the liberals haven't benefitted but the Republicans and their ideologies have benefited.
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Also the Chiefs had jobs for the big oil/arm defence companies. Doesnt Condoleeza Rice have a oil ship named after her.
 
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eXSBass said:
I do not believe 9/11 was a conspiracy. I genuinly believe it did happen by terrorists.
But with the DoD releasing the Pentagon tape, what will it dissaprove about the conspiracy theories?
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Pick a conspiracy theory, there's enough being bandied around.

1. The US were complicit in allowing it to happen - no effect
2. The US were instrumental in making it happen - no effect

3. The Pentagon was hit by a missile not a plane, the plane which allegedly hit the Pentagon instead disappeared out of the air along with the crew and passengers never to be seen again. - perhaps have an effect on.

The wall is completely different to the pentagons wall, The Pentagon wall has windows so its going to be about 500,000 times weaker.
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It's also the Pentagon wall, the wall of a military installation which is considerably stronger than a normal wall.

In fact why do I bother, if the evidence available isn't enough then I'm not going to be able to change anyone's opinion :shrug:
 
Zip said:
The main part of the plane went inside the building.
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Where did the rest go :)

If it went in with so much it force that the whole plane disappeared inside the building surely it would have kept on going and come out through the other side and take another wall or two out. There was no damage at all to any of the inner walls.

And if the fuel spayed out in all directions some of it would have gone through the windows onto the inner walls and set them on fire too. But there is no fire damage to the inner walls.
 
cheets64 said:
Are these the stills from the new or the old Video.

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Old...

I think the footage is a few missing frams from that camera and on another camera you can apparantly see the nose cone, but no video will show the entire place crystal clear like in the trade towers attack.

So media companies and guys on a street with fireman one morning can record the attack on the trade towers, but the Pentagon pretty much has crappy cameras and doesn't really capture it in crystal clear viewing. Despire it being a football field away from *** impact site...
 
cheets64 said:
The wall is completely different to the pentagons wall, The Pentagon wall has windows so its going to be about 500,000 times weaker.
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And thats why the main part of the plane got inside the building and did damage.
The wings on the other hand could not penetrate it because the pentagon would have some form of reinforced walls
 
Mujja said:
Where did the rest go :)

If it went in with so much it force that the whole plane disappeared inside the building surely it would have kept on going and come out through the other side and take another wall or two out. There was no damage at all to any of the inner walls.

And if the fuel spayed out in all directions some of it would have gone through the windows onto the inner walls and set them on fire too. But there is no fire damage to the inner walls.
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A certain distance inside of the Pentagon there is a solid reinforced concrete wall.
It would have hit that and disappeared like the plane in the video i showed.
The pentagon was created in segments like that IIRC. Kind of like bulk heads.
 
Zip said:
But the wings are small with less surface area so wouldnt have created as much force so would have just turned to dust.
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Turned to dust :confused:
Even a missle will leave recognisable fragments behind after taking out a whole building. A passport survived the twin towers explosion and you're saying the wings turned to dust?
 
Can someone explain why the times are ****** up in those stills?

In one frame it says 17:37:19 and there is no fireball but in the other one which is also 17:37:19 there is a fireball... :confused:

Oh and the date is wrong.........
 
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