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Hi my dad is going to look at some of these on fri around the 2001/2 ramge any one have info on the best models bar the gt2/3 turbo, and anything to look out for when buying.
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911 (996)
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Make sure its not a cut and shut 
Kroegen said:Make sure its not a cut and shut
Thanks.
Soldato
I know a little bit about these.
They were facelifted in 2002 which updated the car from the 90s to the 00s!?
Buy a facelift - you get nicer rims, and de tangoed
For me it would have to be a Convertible in any form > 02
Or C4S in facelift - this is the best bar Turbo GT2/3 or RS.
Avoid tiptronics, LHD or Non Black Blue or Silver cars if you want a chance of selling it.
Well tiptronics aren't a bad seller but manual is better for the driver rather than the poser.
They were facelifted in 2002 which updated the car from the 90s to the 00s!?
Buy a facelift - you get nicer rims, and de tangoed
For me it would have to be a Convertible in any form > 02
Or C4S in facelift - this is the best bar Turbo GT2/3 or RS.
Avoid tiptronics, LHD or Non Black Blue or Silver cars if you want a chance of selling it.
Well tiptronics aren't a bad seller but manual is better for the driver rather than the poser.
Maz said:
Cheers Maz i think the enigine also got an upgrade form a 3.4 to a 3.6 in 2002, althought the facelifted cars are a little slower for some reason.
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cymatty said:
Yeah almost forgot about that, the facelifts are quicker.
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 £59,650 6/3596 316/6800 273/4250 228 5 177 1/2
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 (3.4) '99-'01 6/3387 300/6800 258/4600 222 4.9 174
Porsche 911 Carrera £55,950 6/3596 316/6800 273/4250 239 5.1 177 1/2
Porsche 911 Carrera (3.4) '98-'01 6/3387 300/6800 258/4600 230 4.6 173
Doesn't seem so
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 (3.4) '99-'01 6/3387 300/6800 258/4600 222 4.9 174
Porsche 911 Carrera £55,950 6/3596 316/6800 273/4250 239 5.1 177 1/2
Porsche 911 Carrera (3.4) '98-'01 6/3387 300/6800 258/4600 230 4.6 173
Doesn't seem so
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cymatty said:Porsche 911 Carrera 4 £59,650 6/3596 316/6800 273/4250 228 5 177 1/2
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 (3.4) '99-'01 6/3387 300/6800 258/4600 222 4.9 174
Porsche 911 Carrera £55,950 6/3596 316/6800 273/4250 239 5.1 177 1/2
Porsche 911 Carrera (3.4) '98-'01 6/3387 300/6800 258/4600 230 4.6 173
Doesn't seem so
Where did you get that from?
Maz said:
Evo, parkers figures are way different.
My Dads got the Carrera 4S 996 and we have also has pretty new 997 2S as courtesy cars for a few days the 4S has harder suspension without a doubt.
The 996 is a nicer car than the 997 just look at the back of the 997 they have cut out the vent panels that are on the Turbo and then refilliled them with a panel to save money. On the 996 the bodywork is smooth , this looks much better. There are several other quality issues I would make about the 997 over the 996 but i wont go on.
Anyway the 4S is pretty damn solid and the 2S is softer suspension wise. The "S" after the model variation means it is Wide-bodied , and has uprated brakes , suspension etc.
The 4 wheel drive in my opinion isn’t really needs unless you live somewhere that gets bad weather often as there a bit more sure footed. The traction the 2S and the 4S is amazing.
The 996 is a nicer car than the 997 just look at the back of the 997 they have cut out the vent panels that are on the Turbo and then refilliled them with a panel to save money. On the 996 the bodywork is smooth , this looks much better. There are several other quality issues I would make about the 997 over the 996 but i wont go on.
Anyway the 4S is pretty damn solid and the 2S is softer suspension wise. The "S" after the model variation means it is Wide-bodied , and has uprated brakes , suspension etc.
The 4 wheel drive in my opinion isn’t really needs unless you live somewhere that gets bad weather often as there a bit more sure footed. The traction the 2S and the 4S is amazing.
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the 3.4 is faster than the 3.6, not sure how becuase the 3.6 has 20bhp more . . . . but it is.
the 2 and the 4 handle completly different, its all down to personal taste, both are as good as each other.
make sure he gets a warranty, from porsche NOT from RAC or a third party, this will give you peace of mind that the car will not give any expensive problems down the line, like RMS.
there is a small issue with RMS (rear main seal) basically a small number (less than 3% i think) have had this problem, if the car is covered by the porsche warranty then they will fix this, or hell, any other thing that is wrong, under the warranty (friend of mine had a engine replacment on a 9 year old 993, 20 grand new, cost him nothing)
cabriolets dont handle the same and are slower, unless you dad owns a string of hair salons, avoid a cab.
tiptronic was first used in mass produced road cars by porsche, dont be fooled by this, tips are harder to sell and cost less to buy "used" they also dont have flippers but use buttons on the steering wheel instead, its not as good as the one on M3CSL with the flippers, Tip's are also slower than manuals.
make sure the car has the upgraded sound system, this was somthing like a 2 grand option from new but is well worth it, the std one is pants.
GT2 are the daddy, but please note there are several versions, RC, CS, compfort, RS evo, RSR, SCRS etc etc etc, the RS and CS are the only ones worth buying, the evo and rsr etc are silly money, and not really used on the roads.
same with the GT3, RS and CS will hold their value a lot more than the compfort edidtion.
there is a nice C4 on pistonheads for sale that was the feature car in Evo back in feb, was originally bought by barry venison (footballer) so the spec is high, I know the owner Matt, hes just sold his TVR and bought a GT3CS so selling the C4 since there is no need for 2 911's, youd find a lot worse then this for 5 grand more.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/75076.htm
cass
the 2 and the 4 handle completly different, its all down to personal taste, both are as good as each other.
make sure he gets a warranty, from porsche NOT from RAC or a third party, this will give you peace of mind that the car will not give any expensive problems down the line, like RMS.
there is a small issue with RMS (rear main seal) basically a small number (less than 3% i think) have had this problem, if the car is covered by the porsche warranty then they will fix this, or hell, any other thing that is wrong, under the warranty (friend of mine had a engine replacment on a 9 year old 993, 20 grand new, cost him nothing)
cabriolets dont handle the same and are slower, unless you dad owns a string of hair salons, avoid a cab.
tiptronic was first used in mass produced road cars by porsche, dont be fooled by this, tips are harder to sell and cost less to buy "used" they also dont have flippers but use buttons on the steering wheel instead, its not as good as the one on M3CSL with the flippers, Tip's are also slower than manuals.
make sure the car has the upgraded sound system, this was somthing like a 2 grand option from new but is well worth it, the std one is pants.
GT2 are the daddy, but please note there are several versions, RC, CS, compfort, RS evo, RSR, SCRS etc etc etc, the RS and CS are the only ones worth buying, the evo and rsr etc are silly money, and not really used on the roads.
same with the GT3, RS and CS will hold their value a lot more than the compfort edidtion.
there is a nice C4 on pistonheads for sale that was the feature car in Evo back in feb, was originally bought by barry venison (footballer) so the spec is high, I know the owner Matt, hes just sold his TVR and bought a GT3CS so selling the C4 since there is no need for 2 911's, youd find a lot worse then this for 5 grand more.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/75076.htm
cass
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fox does it again, hes right, the 4 has a 40mm wider rear end, same as the turbo (which is also 4wd 75% rear 25% front)
Cheers for the advice guys, keep it coming i will pass it on to him tonight.
Anyone know anything about the porsche warranty that is £700 a year? is it advisable to get this warranty.
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its 725 per year, and you can place it on any car within 125k miles or up to the day before the cars 9th birthday.
if the car does not have a porsche warranty on when you buy it you will need to take it in for the 111point inspection at the official porsche center and that costs about 175 quid, best way to do the negotiations is tell the seller you will buy the car if they pay for PPI and it passes, if it fails and you dont want to buy the car for any reason you at least pay the PPI (Pre Purchase Inspection) so the seller is not at a loss, only somone who knows the car will not pass will not agree to this.
if the car does not have a porsche warranty on when you buy it you will need to take it in for the 111point inspection at the official porsche center and that costs about 175 quid, best way to do the negotiations is tell the seller you will buy the car if they pay for PPI and it passes, if it fails and you dont want to buy the car for any reason you at least pay the PPI (Pre Purchase Inspection) so the seller is not at a loss, only somone who knows the car will not pass will not agree to this.
Cassius Clarke said:
Cheers, what does the warranaty cover? as it seems quite expensive.
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cymatty said:
well it covers a lot, my aircon has been fixed by it saving around 450 quid so far, rubber seal started to leak letting out gas, lets put it this way, only a fool would shell out 30 grand + on one of these and not be willing to spend 725 pound per year for peice of mind that if anything serious went wrong, it would be fixed FOC.
you also get european breakdown cover and lots of other benifits (although not as many as with ducait, they will even bail you out of jail for speeding offences if abroad!
) lets just say, something happend and you threw the engine, now it has been known to happen, but again this is very rare, like very very, your talking about a car that was bought at around 65 grand new, so whatever has broken with be VERY expensive compared to say a ford. (even though they are more reliable, not to mention faster, and the girls love them too)
reconditioned engines are near non existent, if you find one, your looking at about 10 grand minimum, if you get your engine reconditiond, another 8-10 grand but obviously depends on the problem.
gearbox anyone? 7-8 grand, and this is not new, just a re conditioned one.
new engine is 20k, thanks, about 15k for the gearbox new.
lets be fair, your talking about a supercar that can be used everyday, they have a fantastic reputation for reliability so hopefully non of this will ever happen but as a safeguard, you would be crazy not to have the car warranted.
bmw btw have just increased the price of their warranty to a smidging under 2 grand per year for a M3, and thats only for cars up to 5 years old with no more than 75k miles. an M3 has nothing on a 996.
i think it sort of says somthing about the porsche reliability.
whoever is buying the car, think, price of car, PLUS the warranty, then youll be fine, a lot of them have the warranty anyways, very few dont tbh.
Cassius Clarke said:
Thanks you have been very helpfull, i am sure my dad will be very gratefull, will pass on the info later, if you have the porsche warranty does it have to be serviced at porsche?
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they will tell you yes (probbably) but wont have anything in writing to say this as its illegal for them to try and do it (they got in trouble a few years back for it)
all it must have is, any parts that need replacing on service must be replaced using genuine porsche parts, simple.
I also would advise not using the official porsche centres for servicing, only for warranty claims, find a local specialist who is well recommended, one time mine came back with the wrong spark plugs in it from the official dealer . . . . . . . . . .
jz machtech have been looking after mine, the guy i bought it off had a full complete 100% everything looked at just before I bought it and the cost from jzm was 1750 quid.
normal servicing from a reputable specialist will be 220 for a minor, 380 for a major, 12k miles or 12 months for every minor, 24k mile or 2years for the major.
HTH
all it must have is, any parts that need replacing on service must be replaced using genuine porsche parts, simple.
I also would advise not using the official porsche centres for servicing, only for warranty claims, find a local specialist who is well recommended, one time mine came back with the wrong spark plugs in it from the official dealer . . . . . . . . . .
jz machtech have been looking after mine, the guy i bought it off had a full complete 100% everything looked at just before I bought it and the cost from jzm was 1750 quid.
normal servicing from a reputable specialist will be 220 for a minor, 380 for a major, 12k miles or 12 months for every minor, 24k mile or 2years for the major.
HTH