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9900k / 9700k or something else

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If you look at their review,in the 11 gaming charts,7 had the overclocked Core i5 9600K equaling the overclocked Core i5 9900K,and in 4 charts it was faster,but 3 were well under 10% at 1080p and only one was 16% at 1080p,but at 1440P the difference was smaller. The game which was 16% faster was Hitman - a stealth game.
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The 6-core Intel part has been the gamer's choice for several years. However, it is starting to fall behind in a few titles which is why they went with the 8-core Intel this time. I think Steve said as much in the review. For the same reason the R5 3600 is then the budget friendly choice rather than the 9600K.
 
nhornby51743 said:
Really appreciate the long response, genuinely not being sarcastic or anything.

The 9700K overclocks, and runs fine on my old coolermaster, which was a £14 cooler, currently have a H115i Pro, which does a better job, obviously.

When I Google 9700k it shows that the ones from Raimforest UK, coming from Rainforest US (inclusive of taxes) are still available for the £324, so the prices are still the same, and again a cheap cooler would be sufficient to get a decent overclock at reasonable temps.

The other thing that a lot of people willfully omit is the fact that those with 1440p monitors aren't likely running at 60hz, so those extra frames do count.

I was hand on heart hoping that AMD would skin Intel for gaming performance, so I was disappointed with performance, and from a gaming perspective, I really couldn't recommend anything else.
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Reading the responses regarding overclocking,I don't think a £14 cooler will do:
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/a5jwfx/i79700k_hyper_212_evo/
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1007523-hyper-212-evo-i7-9700k/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterra...ll_a_hyper_212_evo_be_enough_to_cool_a_9700k/
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/abvzb2/cooler_recommendation_for_i79700k/

Even at £324(which is only £16 lower than the low end) it still makes the Ryzen 7 3700X setup cheaper,but Amazon USA has the price at $365:
https://charts.camelcamelcamel.com/...ired=false&legend=1&ilt=1&tp=all&fo=0&lang=en

The Hyper 212 is one of the best £20 to £30 coolers. Amazon list fees which raise the price is to around £350 to £360. OcUK sell it cheaper!! Lets hope the yanks don't buy all our cheap CPUs!! :p

I am still still not seeing how it is cheaper but I think we might probably not agree on this! For instance people have got a Ryzen 7 3900X to work in £60 B350 motherboards,so yeah it can go lower there,but it will be getting a bit silly! :D

Anyway,with all you chaps argueing about what 8 core CPU is better,my poor 6 core is feeling inadequate! :p

IT Troll said:
The 6-core Intel part has been the gamer's choice for several years. However, it is starting to fall behind in a few titles which is why they went with the 8-core Intel this time. I think Steve said as much in the review. For the same reason the R5 3600 is then the budget friendly choice rather than the 9600K.
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The problem his conclusion makes little or no sense when it comes to the Ryzen 7 3700X,due to it being not fast enough in games over the Ryzen 5 3600.

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The same can be said of the Core i5 9600K compared to the Core i7 9700K and Core i9 9900K.

They are only 4% to 6% faster one average and the minimums are within 5% too and that is with their games suite.

You could say the PS5 is using 8 Zen2 cores,and the Ryzen 7 3700X has 8 cores,so should also be better prepared for future multi-platform games,if Intel 8 cores is more futureproof than Intel 6 cores,even if their own tests show very little improvement.

Realistically the Ryzen 7 3700X and Core i9 9700K are not going to look good value over the cheaper 6 core models.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Reading the responses regarding overclocking,I don't think a £14 cooler will do:
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/a5jwfx/i79700k_hyper_212_evo/
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1007523-hyper-212-evo-i7-9700k/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterra...ll_a_hyper_212_evo_be_enough_to_cool_a_9700k/
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/abvzb2/cooler_recommendation_for_i79700k/

Even at £324(which is only £16 lower than the low end) it still makes the Ryzen 7 3700X setup cheaper,but Amazon USA has the price at $365:
https://charts.camelcamelcamel.com/...ired=false&legend=1&ilt=1&tp=all&fo=0&lang=en

The Hyper 212 is one of the best £20 to £30 coolers. Amazon list fees which raise the price is to around £350 to £360. OcUK sell it cheaper!! Lets hope the yanks don't buy all our cheap CPUs!! :p

I am still still not seeing how it is cheaper but I think we might probably not agree on this! For instance people have got a Ryzen 7 3900X to work in £60 B350 motherboards,so yeah it can go lower there,but it will be getting a bit silly! :D

Anyway,with all you chaps argueing about what 8 core CPU is better,my poor 6 core is feeling inadequate! :p
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It's been nice having a back and forth. Normally someone spits their dummy out lol.

My condolences on your 6 core. Might be worth casting your eye over the 8 core section.....although I have a pretty good idea what you might lean towards ;)
 
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nhornby51743 said:
It's been nice having a back and forth. Normally someone spits their dummy out lol.

My condolences on your 6 core. Might be worth casting your eye over the 8 core section.....although I have a pretty good idea what you might lean towards ;)
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Well TBH I changed over last year for application performance than gaming per se,and any improvements for gaming are a nice side effect. Also being a mini-ITX fan limits what I can use in my system but I am not in any rush to change the CPU yet,although the upgradetitus is calling! :P
 
nhornby51743 said:
Are you referring to the 100% usage?

There's obviously something going on in the background. I've got Battlefield V and it barely uses any of the 9700K.
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The 100% must be caused by a virus scan or some program locking up in the background

My 8700k average 40% and never goes above 50% at 1440p 144hz

There is no way a 9600k sure at 100% load

Riva reports total cpu usage, not the games cpu usage - so its very misleading - let’s see Task Manager
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Well TBH I changed over last year for application performance than gaming per se,and any improvements for gaming are a nice side effect. Also being a mini-ITX fan limits what I can use in my system but I am not in any rush to change the CPU yet,although the upgradetitus is calling! :p
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It's a terrible thing. Got to admit, I'm a total graphics whore, so upgrade every gen. Also, can't resist a good deal on storage, can never have enough SSD's lol.
 
Grim5 said:
The 100% must be caused by a virus scan or some program locking up in the background

My 8700k average 40% and never goes above 50% at 1440p 144hz

There is no way a 9600k sure at 100% load

Riva reports total cpu usage, not the games cpu usage - so its very misleading - let’s see Task Manager
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Yes, it's a load of ****. My 9700K doesn't go above 55% on any game, at 4.7ghz.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem his conclusion makes little or no sense when it comes to the Ryzen 7 3700X,due to it being not fast enough in games over the Ryzen 5 3600.

The same can be said of the Core i5 9600K compared to the Core i7 9700K and Core i9 9900K.
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My take is that games have, and mostly still do, favour clock speed and IPC. However, some games are starting to show gains with 8 cores and it is likely that things will continue in that direction, especially, as you also point out, given the spec of next gen consoles. On the other hand HT/SMT shows little benefit it games and in some cases even reduces performance. So a 9700K gives you the best of both, great performance in poorly threaded games now, and plenty of cores for the future which won’t be a bottleneck for next gen GPUs.
 
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