A beginners first build...

Hi Luke,

I've had a look through that thread and I can see why you are undecided. I'm not familiar with FSX so can't really advise on that front specifically.

I guess my reasoning is the choice appears to be between a low end intel based dual core cpu with HT (albeit pre-overclocked) that 'may' give a performance improvement over an AMD based cpu in FSX.

On the other hand the AMD is a quad core based unit from the upper end of their range (the black edition) which even though it 'may' not be as quick in FSX, would almost certainly be better in most modern games than the i3 and would probably give your system more longevity. I also gather that it overcocks fairly well too, so clock for clock there shouldn't be too much difference.

There are of course differences between CPU architectures that make one or other better at specific games, but typically this usually isn't as big a performance difference as people might suggest. I think we all suffer from benchmark syndrome, where a five percent speed increase seems a massive improvement, but in real life may not even be noticeable.

I know you have posted that you are only interested in playing FSX, but I'd be very surprised if once you have your new gaming rig you don't broaden you games collection. And although relatively few games can use more than 2 cores still, I'd say its a safe bet that most new games will be able to use more.

In my opinion the AMD would give you a more balanced system that would keep you happy for at least a couple of years, whereas I would suspect the i3 CPU would probably get swapped out within a year or so.

I'm not sure we're all helping you make a decision though.....

E-I

You are all definatley helping me. I am learning more and more every day.

Basically then, an X4 955 will last longer and will be as fast as an i3? If this is the case, i guess i could spend more and go for it, maybe upgrading the graphics after about a year too.
 
Hi Luke,

I'd say it's more accurate to say that the AMD x4 once overclocked won't be far behind the overclocked i3 (if at all) in FSX, but would certainly be faster in most other games and mean that your computer is more future proof for future games than with the i3.

To be honest for a straight gaming rig, a new gfx card in a years time probably wouldn't make much difference to you if you are still using your 19" monitor. Typically the native resolution of a 19" monitor is low enough that a relatively low end graphics card would happily run at that resolution and fairly high graphics setting without too much difficulty.

I'd almost suggest you next upgrade should be a nice hi resolution monitor?

Best,

E-I

Yeah, im now thinking that going with the X4 components will be the best thing to do as it will be a little more future-proof.I could then save some more money and buy 2 24" monitors and a 5770 or better GPU with eyefinity.
 
I think it's wise. You could still gamble on a 550/555 BE unlock, even the X2 overclocked would be on par with the i3 i reckon. Remember the new AMD chips will be AM3 so further down the road a cpu upgrade will be easier.

I'm not sure of the spec your planning on. If you can manage or have a quick HDD (spinpoint F3) in the system it would help performance.

I do need a new HDD actually. I was going to use two laptop hard drives that add up to 240GB but i want only one hard drive. Can you recommend some for me? The cheaper the better!
 
Well a SSD is out of the question although they do kick ass.

The next best option is a small WD raptor drive (they spin at 10,000rpm as opposed 7200rpm) that will definately improve performance. Although small (74GB) it will improve OS performance and fsx too im sure. You could use the other laptop drives for extra storage.

Or a spinpoint F3 is a good speed drive (still 7200rpm though) a 500Gb example should be £35ish

Hope this helps

The last one sounds perfect thanks.
 
I was just listing options. I knew the F3 would win because of the price ;p

I'm not keen on advising raid configs. If a drive fails you lose data on both drives and backing up the array can be a bother unless you have 1TB ot 2TB drives lying around.

Yes i know raid can be used to clone drives but most people meld the drives for the performance increase. With my luck lately I prefer not to tempt fate.

So are we nearer to a spec list now luke?

Getting there, i just need to realistically think about money, selling some stuff and getting a job might help too :D

I should have a full spec by the morning. BTW, does anyone know when you can get onto the MM? I can't find the page that tells you anywhere :S
 
Well you could do what I did and go with a mobo with an IGP. The ati's are generally better than the nvidia chipsets. As i said i can't test fsx on my rig but an ati 4200 will run the game, i just cant say how well.

When you have some more spondoolies you can buy the gfx card and drop it in to up performance. The IGP will tide you over and let the bulk of the budget ensure you get a decent base to the system.

Look forward to seeing what you put together

That is an excellent idea actually. The motherboard i am planning to get has ATI 3000 graphics. Would this be good enough for FSX until i get a new graphics card?
 
To be honest there isn't going to be a great difference in performance but some boards will have the 4200 or higher and I would rather have the higher spec'ed chip. Then again if it's just a stop gap till you can get a better gfx card I doubt it really matters

OK cheers, hopefully it should only be about 2/3 months before i get a separate graphics card anyway, and until then i could still use my MacBook if i really need to.
 
It's probably wise to wait for the new cards to be released, that's what i'm doing. A 5770 is a good budget card but you'll kick yourself if the 5800 cards drop to the 5770 price point.

I think the new 6000 series cards will be more of a revision than a major breakthru so waiting and picking up one of the current cards cheap could be the way forward

Another great idea. I think i will do just this, I may be able to pick up a pretty cheap 5770 at least.
 
OK, final spec time. How does this look?

PCBasket.png
 
I would be very surprised if the heatsink didnt come with some half decent TIM. Unless you really really want arctic silver 5 it's just an added cost.

I'd consider dropping the TIM and pick up the G.skill ripjaw memory instead of the OCZ gold. Yes it's £10 more but the ram timings are lower (better) plus with the TIM gone it's only technically £5 more on the final bill

Is there much of a difference between the G.Skill Ripjaw RAM and the OCZ Gold RAM?

I'll try and find an unboxing video of that cooler on youtube to find out what TIM it comes with. Im not dead set on Arctic Silver 5, i just heard that it is very good.
 
It looks like it just comes with a little sachet of Zalman'z own TIM. Do you think this will be OK or would i be better getting some Arctic Silver 5 as isn't very expensive.
 
OK, final spec time:eek:

AMD X2 550 CPU - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-265-AM

Gigabyte GA-880GA-UD3H AMD 880G MOBO - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-280-GI

G.Skill RipJaw 4GB DDR3 RAM - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-047-GS

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-029-CM&tool=3

All together £276.45

I also plan to hopefully unlock the X2 to quad core and overclock to around 3.80-4.0GHz
 
I think your being ambitious trying to overclock and unlock. I'm not going to rule it out but it's probably an either or kind of situation.

You may get the extra cores stable at stock (or with some minor voltage tweaks) but overclocking may be asking too much. Worst case is that its an X2 CPU and you overclock, you will get 3.80GHz easy.

FSX wont use all four cores so i'd suggest running fraps with fsx to check the fps. See the difference between X4 (if u can unlock) and overclocking as an X2. Remember you can probably overclock the IGP too (im not certain as its not a ASUS mobo like mine)

Well i can try it at least. As you said anyway, FSX will probably only use two of the cores so theres nothing wrong with the CPU for that.

For the price though, i think you've got to at least try unlocking the cores, just to see if it can be done;)

I don't think i'll bother overclocking the IGP though as i will be getting the graphics card about a two months afterwards anyway.
 
Yeah definately try and unlock it, i just said that expecting an overclock ontop of the unlock is asking a lot.

The other problem is that you can lose the abilty to accurately monitor the temps once the cores are unlocked so overclocking can be risky. Overclocking as an X2 will be easier to do and you can check the performance difference between the quadcore (stock) and dual core (oc'd) setup to see what suits.

I hope you do get lucky, you will grin from ear to ear knowing that you got soooo much more for your money ;p

I think i will overclock the X2, then unlock to an X3/4 then overclock that. Measure everything and then comparing to see what is going to be the best.

I do hope i can unlock and overclock it as an X4 though, that would be phenomenal value for money!
 
No good as a backup makeup bag then Vikki? ;p

£20 on a toolkit is a bit pointless seeing as you only need a crosshead/small flathead screwdriver for the build. I'll admit to having a ratchet screwdriver with changeable bits but then i need to use tamperproof t-10 bits as i fix xboxs and ps3s too.

I look forward to seeing a thread on your new build luke. Download CPUID and the hardware monitor app they do too. Post some screens if you get an unlock and how far you can OC the CPU

I will definatley download those and post results. As for the toolkit, i could really do with it as we have basically no tools in my house. I don't think my parents know what DIY means LOL:D
 
Back
Top Bottom