A Liverpool thread

I cant decide - they have amazing impact but look 'overdone' to me.

Thats the only way i can describe it, techinically they are stunning but maybe they are too unnatural for me.

Could you go back and process them normally for me so i can compare please ;)
 
Shimmyhill said:
I cant decide - they have amazing impact but look 'overdone' to me.

Thats the only way i can describe it, techinically they are stunning but maybe they are too unnatural for me.

Could you go back and process them normally for me so i can compare please ;)

I know what you mean to some extent. Sometimes I look at them and think "Oh god what have I done?" Other times I block that out and remember what others have said and I feel that I did a good job. They may look a tiny bit un-natural but that could be because we're not used to them. We accept Infra-red because its instantly identifiable as being a surreal image. We accept black and white I guess because we always have, yet whats natural about black and white? I guess these are hard to accept because its on the edge. Is it real, is it unreal. Personally I just say "Its art." Over the past few months I've expanded my knowledge of the art world through various things and I'm now called an artist by others. Other artists accept them because its "art" but I guess photographers have a hard time because its tricky to really nail down whats going on.

Oh and no, I won't be going back over them :p
 
Im just not a fan of the Everton pics. I just think the location, colour and angles dont work. I would still leave them in since its a location around Liverpool

The rest are just the fantastic. I love number 7. I think it has just the right amount of shadow detail and really is a candidate for a great Artistic piece of photography.
 
Spie said:
Stunning pics Mr CyKey.

Thanks boss.

Fstop11 said:
Im just not a fan of the Everton pics. I just think the location, colour and angles dont work. I would still leave them in since its a location around Liverpool

The rest are just the fantastic. I love number 7. I think it has just the right amount of shadow detail and really is a candidate for a great Artistic piece of photography.

Yeah I'm not much of a fan either if I'm honest. Its a case of trying to get arty pics from a very very very dull building. That was pretty much the best I could do.
 
HDR photos can looks great in print but rather over-cooked on the web.

I'm all for artistic interpretation of a scene, in whatever medium. People have preconceived ideas of what a photograph should be like, it's good that someone is questioning that :)
 
HDR + Wide angle again I see ;)

I'm not sure what to make of the shots, so I will be systematic and constructive in my analysis so my opinions are justified to the fans.

Firstly the use of HDR
HDR as a technique can produce some lovely looking photographs and interesting effects. The increase in the dynamic range of a photograph is obviously something that non-photographers will appreciate aesthetically, thinking "wow that looks so surreal, it's great!" they like what they see, because they've never seen it before. This fits your criteria for "unique photographs of liverpool", to most people this effect will be brand new and something they've never seen before.

My opinion is obviously going to be different to joe public, because I understand the full application
of HDR, from process to final image. I know why it looks different and therefore I can apply a more critical eye, seeing more to the shot than simply an HDR image.
1,2,3,8 and 12 are the shots which I believe justify the HDR effect. They would be less aesthetically pleasing shots without it, so as a viewer and a photographer, I can appreciate your choices here.

Number 3 is the only one which I believe has been over done, because of the huge variation in colours and brightness, it looks a little busy. I still like the photograph, but I think it could do with a little bit more work to make buildings to the right of the shot a little less blatently "HDR'd".

Number 7 is a fantastic photograph, the lines, the symetry, they texture everything. Unfortunately this shot is ruined by the post processing. It looks as though you've applied a sketch filter in photoshop and resized it, which obviously you haven't.
I know that underneath the HDR there is a fantastic shot there, so maybe you could post the original?

The rest of the photographs seem to be "same old, same old", the HDR effect has been employed to make an otherwise normal shot seem more exciting than it is, and because of this, has failed.
Be aware that I am not concerned with composition at the moment, I will give my view on that shortly, when I say the rest don't work I mean as HDR shots, not as photographs themselves.

Composition and Framing
You opted to use a wide angle lens here, which has started to shape your style as a creative and successful photographer.
All of the photographs suit the wide angle shots except for 11,13 and 14. The nature of a wide angle lens allowed you to capture a large amount of what stood before you, this is appropriate for the majority of the shots and they are nicely framed. The others didn't benefit so much and interestingly they are the ones at the football ground, which you said was your hardest challenge. This shows in your final images.

Overall view
I like these.
The photographs 11,12 and 13 taken at the football ground don't appeal to me, they are neither artistic (by using HDR) nor are they journalistic enough, they appear to be more snapshots loosely obeying the rules of composition and with most I can see what you were trying to achieve, but unfortunately don't hit the nail on the head. The rest are stronger and I can see you producing some great shots if you re-visit the grounds (which i'm sure you will).
The 'cityscape' photographs, with the exception of 4 tick all the boxes and make me go "wow", you've got these spot on, well done!

Reccomendations?
Your photographs show your talent as a photographer, it is clear that you have a great eye for shots and you know how to make the most of your surroundings.
I would be interested to see some photographs from you that move away from the wide angle and HDR process, go back to basics and see what you can produce straight from the camera, relying more on your skill as a photographer than a photoshop user.

I wait with baited breath for more :)
 
MrSix said:
Number 7 is a fantastic photograph, the lines, the symetry, they texture everything. Unfortunately this shot is ruined by the post processing. It looks as though you've applied a sketch filter in photoshop and resized it, which obviously you haven't.
I know that underneath the HDR there is a fantastic shot there, so maybe you could post the original?
I thought #7 looked familiar, I searched and found a previous post by cykey which I think is the same image with less processing...

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6260089&postcount=1 -Image #3
 
Yeah, I like that, a touch more HDR and a touch less than the example here and it'll be spot on :p

and omg...

CRW_4582-02.jpg


What a superb shot!

cyKey if you can get back there and do a portait version, leaving out the flat sides and focusing on the actual building itself...well i'll love u :D
 
MrSix said:
1,2,3,8 and 12 are the shots which I believe justify the HDR effect. They would be less aesthetically pleasing shots without it, so as a viewer and a photographer, I can appreciate your choices here.

Cool.

Number 3 is the only one which I believe has been over done, because of the huge variation in colours and brightness, it looks a little busy. I still like the photograph, but I think it could do with a little bit more work to make buildings to the right of the shot a little less blatently "HDR'd".

I can appreciate what you're saying but I kinda like it as it is.

Number 7 is a fantastic photograph, the lines, the symetry, they texture everything. Unfortunately this shot is ruined by the post processing. It looks as though you've applied a sketch filter in photoshop and resized it, which obviously you haven't.
I know that underneath the HDR there is a fantastic shot there, so maybe you could post the original?

Yeah I've been told the same. That guy was rather insulting though. I'm not entirely sure why it came out that way, but I liked the result. It brought out all the extra detail and depth in the cathedral that a normal photo can't produce. Maybe less HDR would allow me to achieve that while reducing the pencil like drawing effect.

The rest of the photographs seem to be "same old, same old", the HDR effect has been employed to make an otherwise normal shot seem more exciting than it is, and because of this, has failed.
Be aware that I am not concerned with composition at the moment, I will give my view on that shortly, when I say the rest don't work I mean as HDR shots, not as photographs themselves.

Quite true. My client asked me to produce Liverpool shots using in my style, so everything I shot for them was to be HDR'd.

Composition and Framing
You opted to use a wide angle lens here, which has started to shape your style as a creative and successful photographer.
All of the photographs suit the wide angle shots except for 11,13 and 14. The nature of a wide angle lens allowed you to capture a large amount of what stood before you, this is appropriate for the majority of the shots and they are nicely framed. The others didn't benefit so much and interestingly they are the ones at the football ground, which you said was your hardest challenge. This shows in your final images.

Yeah its just such a rubbish location for architecture photography and they wanted shots of the grounds. Best I could do. I think the only one that worked well was #10, of Bill Shankly at Liverpool. Some fans have told me that its spot on and captures so much of what the guy was about.

Overall view
I like these.
The photographs 11,12 and 13 taken at the football ground don't appeal to me, they are neither artistic (by using HDR) nor are they journalistic enough, they appear to be more snapshots loosely obeying the rules of composition and with most I can see what you were trying to achieve, but unfortunately don't hit the nail on the head. The rest are stronger and I can see you producing some great shots if you re-visit the grounds (which i'm sure you will).
The 'cityscape' photographs, with the exception of 4 tick all the boxes and make me go "wow", you've got these spot on, well done!

Yey :D I know originally you didn't really get on with my HDR work. I stood by what I believed was a fantastic technique and have tried to learn more about it. The more I learn and play the better my shots will be. I think you'd agree its time well spent.

Reccomendations?
Your photographs show your talent as a photographer, it is clear that you have a great eye for shots and you know how to make the most of your surroundings.
I would be interested to see some photographs from you that move away from the wide angle and HDR process, go back to basics and see what you can produce straight from the camera, relying more on your skill as a photographer than a photoshop user.

The constant battle between photography and photoshoppery. I do feel that there's plenty of life left in the old camera. I've spent the past few weeks exploring black and white and plan to continue doing so this year. I love it more than ever now. I even set my cam to shoot BW just to get a better idea of how a shot will work.

Jotun said:
I thought #7 looked familiar, I searched and found a previous post by cykey which I think is the same image with less processing...

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6260089&postcount=1 -Image #3

That it is. I took the RAW for that shot and produced 3 TIFF's from it and HDR'd them.

MrSix said:
Yeah, I like that, a touch more HDR and a touch less than the example here and it'll be spot on :p

and omg...

CRW_4582-02.jpg


What a superb shot!

cyKey if you can get back there and do a portait version, leaving out the flat sides and focusing on the actual building itself...well i'll love u :D

I prefer my new HDR shot. The gateway has some fantastic detail in it but the light was never right for me. Thanks to HDR I can shoot into the sun and bring out the foreground detail. I think I took that shot around this time last year so I may try it again. It would be interesting to have the sun dead centre for a HDR shot. The problem is that its such a dull location, which is why that angle works in silhoutte because it darkens the road and cars around the area.
 
cyKey said:
Yeah its just such a rubbish location for architecture photography and they wanted shots of the grounds. Best I could do. I think the only one that worked well was #10, of Bill Shankly at Liverpool. Some fans have told me that its spot on and captures so much of what the guy was about.

I agree, loved that shot - real sense of power and authority.



cyKey said:
Yey :D I know originally you didn't really get on with my HDR work. I stood by what I believed was a fantastic technique and have tried to learn more about it. The more I learn and play the better my shots will be. I think you'd agree its time well spent.

Definately, I've never disliked your HDR work as a process, I just didn't get on with some of your shots that the process was applied to.
I can 110% appreciate your "good" HDR shots.



cyKey said:
The constant battle between photography and photoshoppery. I do feel that there's plenty of life left in the old camera. I've spent the past few weeks exploring black and white and plan to continue doing so this year. I love it more than ever now. I even set my cam to shoot BW just to get a better idea of how a shot will work.

Excellent, I look forward to seeing them :)
 
From the point of view of someone who rarely ventures round these parts and hasn't got a clue on how to take good pictures, these look jaw-dropping. I however find that the skies in some of them make them look like they were taken in mordor and have a bit of a bleak sinister feel.
 
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