A return to form: Say hello to Banana MK2, the Italian Prancing Horse (Ferrari 458 Italia)

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Most of course know that I've made this move but for those who don't follow my SVR ownership thread the SVR will almost certainly be sold by the weekend and if not sold shall be traded in.

I've being test driving numerous Huracans and 458's, Mclaren 570S was also a firm favourite but purely ruled out at these stages simply due to the huge depreciation they are facing, even a 720S was considered but again the levels of depreciation are simply frightening, plus Mclaren due sound not so special and do have a lot of reliability issues. Plus nothing is selling, which says prices will drop like a stone.

So I drove a Huracan and its outright pace and performance was nothing short of staggering, it is a properly fast car than can deploy all 600 horsepower plus even in adverse condition, but even in low grip conditions its ability was so good there was no real feel of engagement, it was simply too easy, to go too fast making it lack engagement at legal speeds. However the looks were outrageous good, the sound was phenomenal and it felt truly special, I also drove an LP580-2 and though the front-end was a bit better it was still felt very safe and just lacking engagement, it is great cars are so capable, so fast, but where is the fun if the car at 80mph down a back road just feels slow and to feel excited you have to truly go insanely fast, I still feel I will end up in a Huracan in the future as its a properly special car, but they seem to losing money each month, nothing as outrageous as Mclarens but they are still depreciating though I can't see them ever under 100k except for very high mileage examples, also watching cars for months only the LP580-2's seem to be the ones actually selling.

I then drove a 458, the car felt more bespoke, the interior was a masterpiece and so focused about driving, shortly afterwards and I don't know if true but Michael Schumacher played a big role in the cars design, hence a driver focused interior, the LED's on the steering wheel work so well, your eyes are literally never off the road as you simply have no need to monitor rev counter etc, just use the LED's which light up at 5k, 6k, 7k, 8k and 5th and last LED at 9k to prompt the gear change.

The sound was so loud in the cabin in race mode it felt like something very special and had a real old school F1 pitch as the revs built to 9000rpm, very addictive and the gear shift firm and brutally fast. I was flying down country lanes, it felt like I was doing 80-100mph, looking down on the speedo and I was only at 50-70mph, the car feels insanely fast, when your not going fast, it reminded me of driving a 911 GT3, it is so precise and so full of feel but with the advantage of you not needing to rev it out, I found myself short changing as early as 5-6k because of the incredible sound and the engine develops fantastic torque so the rev range is pretty strong from as low as 2000rpm and screams all the way too 9000rpm.

After this drive my heart was set on a 458, in either black, yellow or maybe red. So I drove some more as Ferrari made quite a lot of updates post 2012 which I could certainly feel. In short pre 2012 cars sound better, louder, pops, gurgles etc, have a scary brake pedal (very long), the gear box is more brutal in race mode at full throttle upshifts but very smooth all other times and has a higher risk of failure and the suspension supposedly not as capable on limit. Post 2012 cars had a different engine map, so quieter, the brake pedal is more confidence inspiring, the gearbox was updated to include inertia shift for artificial thumps and faster acceleration, thus more reliable but not quite as engaging when pushing hard in race mode and the mag ride suspension gained more sensors to further improve handling. I could certainly feel them all, but the brake pedal is most noticeable and certainly very preferential on newer cars, but in fairness no matter the year, buying on spec and price is more important as these cars are just an event to drive.

So after driving a few and all seem to have their niggles I decided to drive a car I'd being eyeing up for a while but dismissed as I was trying to limit my budget but it was simply the cleanest and best optioned car, plus newest. I drove it and well I decided to buy it! :D

Of course 458's also have best residuals as well generally due to not only being the last NA Ferrari but heralded by many as the best Ferrari ever made, they are also incredible lookers and supposedly pretty bullit proof too.

Ferrari also had other major advantages over a Huracan which is a 2yr warranty on any car purchased from Ferrari and servicing is remarkably cheap at £900 for a minor and £1200 for a major and servicing is once per year or 10k miles and as the car I've purchased is a 2014 car the next three services are free of charge as another major update on post 2012 cars was they all came with 7yr service packs.

Enough babbling, let some pictures do the talking:


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So its a 2014 car, 14,500 miles, 2 owners and has very desirable options such as carbon bucket seats, yellow stitching, alcantara interior, satnav, tracker, shields, forged wheels, full carbon interior race package, front and rear parking sensors, full service history etc.

I was able to gain some discount simply because the car has worn ceramics with a rough surface due to the car doing several track days, mainly Donnington but there is a chance I can repair these with special uprated pads which are designed to do so and several owners report them working, worse case I can fit a full set of the superior surface transform ceramic disc.

The plan is to enjoy the car and drive it almost daily, so yes for sure in 2-3yr with 30-40k miles its going to worth less, unless 458 values really explode and as my car is in the extremely rare and rather expensive option Giallo Triplo Strato paint which is a triple layer paint full of pearl effect making it far nicer than the typical flat Yellow Modena paint, seeing a Modena Yellow and now this the Triplo is in another league and in the sun looks incredible in the flesh as it does some awesome stuff with sunlight. :)
 
One of my favourite shots:

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Being the lightweight spec car in theory it weighs around 1480kg with around 570PS though Ferrari are known to be ambitious with their power claims from time to time, but it certainly feels raw and fast and pulls hard all the way to 9000rpm.

Though I do have modifications planned they are very minor and of course to not invalidate warranty and as such I shall fit my Lithium ION RS30 4kg battery which should save around 20kg, it makes sense to do so as I own it and the Ferrari's battery is just a regular AGM unit and many owners do this on their 430/458/488's as like the SVR the Ferrari battery is 20-30kg.

If the car does not have them I shall get the titanium wheel bolts, Ferrari charge £2000 for a set, Hills Engineering charge £640 and I've found a place in USA that ships them worldwide for $299 which is a more reasonable price.

Noise wise I shall unplug the valves, if I like it I shall then fit an electronic valve controller with a fob remote so I can close, open or let the ECU control them, those are about £250. Then of course if I still desire a more V8 NA F1 sound track I can look at options, there are many so its not easy and some are insane money at upto 15k for an exhaust, what a joke.


Most important of all I pick these up next Wednesday:


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Here is hoping for some good weather to enjoy the drive home, if the weather is good I shall probably drop by Caffeine & Machine for some late lunch and of course photo opportunities. :)
 
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Is 14,500 miles considered quite high for a ferrari? I know they have a stigma for being expensive to run, it would be interesting if you could post those sort of things (i know mpg won't be amazing, but i suspect servicing will be expensive).

Servicing is covered in the OP, cheaper than expected, but shall be free first three years.:)
 
Top 5 in terms of enjoyment of your cars you've owned?

I find this very difficult, because there is never one star car that outperforms in every area, I shall try to narrow it down:


Great things!
1. Saleen Mustang: A proper event, properly rare, crazy noise, insanely raw and fast. Incredible on rails handling on smooth roads.
2. EVO X FQ-360: Grip, grip grip and more grip and incredible on limits and beyond, so easy, but engaging. So good in all weathers, dry, wet and even snow!
3. 911 C2S: Best feel, best steer, incredible engine harmonics in cabin due to engine behind, proper handling car with absolute best communication from all four wheels and steering, a true drivers car! The brakes, oh my the brakes!
4. M3 Track / CSL: Best car for drifting, incredible balance, incredible control, gear box brutal, engine sound like a DTM car, feels light!
5. SVR: Grip, rear biased AWD so can skid but its hard to control with such huge torque and such insane throttle response from supercharger, noise, looks, power and more POWER! ZF8 masterpiece, incredible comfort, remote start, heated everything, fantastic toys!
6. Clio 172 Cup: A car you can drive 11/10 everywhere you go, wet or dry, feel like a kid, a hooligan, so much fun, but a bit boring in track after a while, due to FWD, can't do skids, not easily.


Bad things!
1. LHD, handling on a poor road and just overall quality.
2. Got a bit boring, sounded a bit naff.
3. Not enough power, sounded a bit poor on outside compared to like say a V8.
4. Nothing really too bad, but they need quite a lot of money throwing at them to be good!
5. Can feel the weight in the car, particular in wet conditions, SC brutal torque can make throttle finesse not so easy.
6. Built cheap, lack of power!


The above is not in order, just the six cars that had real stand out features!

I think that sums up the best traits, yes others have been good, but those are the most note worthy cars I've owned, glad to still be owning two of them. :)
 
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Sorry i missed that, i thought ferraris were notorious for stupidly expensive bills whenever any driving was done (not dissing your purchase or in anyway jealous:p).

Old ones used to cost vastly more due to belts and chains needing changing which was typically engine out jobs, things improved a lot since the 360 and the 458 essentially become a modern car and as such minor service at £900 and major at £1200 seems very fair pricing wise, I am sure a spark plug change will add £500 on top of course because Ferrari tax, but they are cheaper to service than a Lamborghini and not really much more than an M car. The dealership did say its an unfortunate perception customers have and are pleasantly surprised.

Of course there are many things warranty does not cover which are costly, a set of ceramic disc and pads all round is 20k if you go with Ferrari, dampers are £3000 per pair etc.


Congrats doesn't seem two minutes ago you only had a Golf GTI, huge step up.


It was a Golf R and it was always a temp car whilst I waited for next car to come, one of my work colleagues purchased it from me and loves it. :)
 
Tbf, buying a car like this, and thinking the service plan is the best bit highlights the pitfalls of such desires. Bemoaning the £15k sports exhaust will still like small fry even the minimum £1k services every 1k miles kick in.

You could always go PowerFlow to save some hard earned cash. I guess it's just an exhaust after all :D


Its a bonus, I was just as happy to buy a 2010 with no service pack, simple fact is this car saves me £3500 in services, though the car cost an additional 10k, so there was no budgeting or trying to save money the service plan is not the best highlight at all, its merely a bonus. I purchased the car I truly wanted, as such I spent more, no attempt was made to save money or cut corners or buying a car because free services, the car I wanted was purchased, free services are a bonus.

Exhaust if I go third party I will buy the one I like the sound of most whether it cost £1500 or £15,000 and I certainly won't be a guinea pig and will only go with proven setup and noise wise I like the sound of IPE F1 systems best, because F1 car. :D
 
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Driver's side seat bolster looks like it started to wear. Got to be careful of those getting in/out :(

Yes there is, was pointed to dealer and they said they would remedy it.
Car shall also be at Autobrite next month for a full seal and any areas such as that further addressed, thankfully its just on the leather and its easy to repair.
 
never seen the underside of a Ferrari before, looks like theres something missing ;)


is it wheels? ;) :D


Its hover craft edition! ;)
They agreed to thoroughly examine the dampers for me prior to collection to ensure no oil leaks or misting and get a 4 wheel alignment check done, which is part of Ferrari used car programme anyway.
 
D (F?) Day! :cool:
I’m wondering how long you’ve already been up for? - if you’ve slept at all!

Enjoy the day, should be one to remember.



Is this not man maths at its very best? :p :D


Servicing is a bonus.
I paid more to get the better car, newer, better spec and very rare colour.

In theory when I come to sell it should still be worth that 10k more.

Collection day is here! :D
 
Congrats on the car, beautiful colour. Hope you get many smiles out of it!

What's the deal with the servicing every 1k ? Is it engine only or transmission/LSD oils?

Servicing is not 1k, its every year, not sure on miles 10k, I think.
 
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Hi there


So collection day went well apart from traffic but still got there in good time, service was excellent and for the exciting part:



Car has a few nice little extras I did not realise being:
- Front sensors too
- Blue / Mobile phone pairing and it works
- Cruise control though of course its called pitlane limiter. :D


Thanks to both Kindai and Tomo for joining for the collection and the convoy to the pub was fun.


Few photos at collection:

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Drive to pub, simple but effective display, all configurable:


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Couple of photos from the Caffeine & Machine and it was a glorious 20c and sunny, its Winter but feels like Summer, global warming FTW:



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There is little point in me discussing how the car drives, I am taking it easy as first few things worth of note:

- Ceramics lack stopping power until truly warm, but they seem to getting better and better, I suspect car stood, lots of washing and no driving, brakes need a good work out or re-bedding in procedure, but won't do that until I've got healing pads fitted.
- Pzero, well zero grip, it was 17-20c but at one point it lit up the back wheels in 3rd gear. Again tyres might come back, they are 17 dated so probably not being on car long, again need to take easy.
- DCT, feels more like SMG in some ways, certainly has it quirks but todays first drive was stuck in traffic jams on M6 so a lot of crawling, it works quite well and car was well behaved.


It is my first mid-engined car, I have no idea how the nannies work or don't and it feels razer sharp, I did do a longer sweeper at near 3 digits and it felt like downforce was coming into play at such speed, felt pretty planted.
The steering and throttle are hyper alert, the front end just feels insane, but at same time if feels like the back end is gonna over take, again mid-engine feel of the car, everything pivots and feel as such around centre of car, takes time to get used too.
Car feels very light in weight, it even accelerates pretty strong in 7th gear and 75mph is 3000rpm, but if you select wet mode it all quietens down, revs seem high until you realise there is another 6000 to go.
In 5th gear acceleration is strong, I'd say stronger than SVR, but on flip side SVR was brutal in first three gears.

Really can't wait to get more seat time, temps are dropping fast so I've parked it for the night, looking forward too tomorrow, Ferrari gave me a tank of fuel, I've burned through half already.

The noise is simply incredible, I am leaving the valves fitted as they really add character to the car with the on and off barks its makes in race mode, it was also I noticed gurgling on over run, it is certainly loud and sounds pretty damn awesome, really struggling to get power down, so its either a very very quick one, or the Pzero are just being zero. A set of PS4S may come sooner than later if they don't improve somewhat, be interesting how it behaves in the wet.

Just eager for my next drive now! :D


Lots of positive feedback from punters at Cafffeine & Machine saying such a good choice it was to get yellow over the red, saying something they'd never considered but the colour is so much more special than flat red, at times it can look almost gold, such an incredible colour.
 
Epic, is the gearbox same/similar as the M-DCT?

I'd say very similar indeed. No idea if its same box.

Smoother in wet or sport, full on inertia shift in race, but brutal at partial throttle, softens to just a thud at full chat to try and prevent unsettling the car but 2-3 full power upshifts was breaking the rear lose, but was do same in sport, so more of lack of grip from tyres.

Full auto works well, in short just gets into 7th as quick as it can unless in race and in full auto its super aggressive on downshift blips.

The down shift blips are magically though, so maybe is a very similar setup as just like an E92 M3 the downshifts are god like when it blips.

If you're taking the pics, who is the 50yo in the drivers seat?


Cheeky git! :p
 
Mid engine is ace until it decides it wants to lead the front which happened to me twice at vast pace. Once at full chat down the craners and second around the Ring. First time systems saved me, second time all my own work but outside of that mid engine is ace and never feels as swapy endy as my GT3 did.


What do you mean by that mate? You mean it pushed on as in understeer or something else?
 
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