A Working-Class Tory Is Something To Be . . .

Tefal said:
So would you say your brother is not working class then?
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NO, my brother is definitely not working class, but he had a very different upbringing from me. Same Mother, different Father.


I do not have his education, wealth, upbringing or social standing. All these things also contribute to your social class.

I may have a white collar job, (until 2005 I was a soldier) and I may have married into a middle class family. I however still consider myself working class, that is the group that I most identify with. It is that simple, it matters not what anyone thinks or how many examples you can throw at me, it is what I identify with.
 
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Castiel said:
Besides the biggest movement in social mobility for the working classes was the Right to Buy, introduced by a conservative Govt.
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A double-edged sword. It was also an attempt to shackle people to their mortgage repayments and to thus deter employee disobedience and participation in strike action.
 
I voted for the tories because I'm not afraid of hard work, I don't intend to become a drug addict or alcoholic and I don't have a vagina to pop out kids with.
 
I still have trouble identifying to differences between middle and working classes. If I'm born to rich parents and end up wasting my life in dead end jobs because my comfortable upbringing made me lazy, am I still middle class? Or if I was born to a labourer father and ended up as the CEO of a multinational, what am I?

My father is an educated man (Masters) that ended up loving the bottle more than us. He did high profile consultancy work. I grew up in relative financial comfort despite weekends being a nightmare. He ended up broke, made a ton of money on a business venture and ended up broke again due to fast cars and fast women. He is now sober and working a menial job due to not wanting the stress that might drive him to the bottle again. What would his social class be then now compared to earlier in his life?
 
What difference does it make what 'class' someone thinks they are?

People who hold a view based on what class they think they are simply demonstrate they're incapable of independent thought, presumably on the basis that it's too difficult. "I'm working class therefore I vote Labour" is a prime example of this. "I'm an earl so I vote Tory" is another one.

Seriously people, hold views because you've thought them through. Not because you think you fit in a box. The fact that radio programs like the OP topic exist goes to show how little people actually think for themselves.
 
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tbh from what I've seen, the working class don't really do that much, just sit on the dole
maybe it should be re-named
"dole class"
or maybe the definitions need to change? am I working class? literate, crap education (GCSEs+C&G) yet am on a good wage (for cornwall) but don't "produce" anything nor manual labour?
to be fair, who REALLY cares other than the people who market politics at one group or another.
 
VeNT said:
tbh from what I've seen, the working class don't really do that much, just sit on the dole
maybe it should be re-named
"dole class"
or maybe the definitions need to change? am I working class? literate, crap education (GCSEs+C&G) yet am on a good wage (for cornwall) but don't "produce" anything nor manual labour?
to be fair, who REALLY cares other than the people who market politics at one group or another.
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I think that the Welfare lifetimers have complicated things somewhat.

The problem is that over the last 20 years or so the Working Class and the Middle Class are so interwined it is difficult to separate the two aside from looking at someones income.

As this thread has proven it can mean different things to different people, I base it on the group I identify with, others would disagree and pigeonhole me elsewhere.

That's fine, but I think your informative years designate the class you identify with and no amount of social mobility really changes that.

I would expect my son will identify with the middle class social grouping due to his upbringing for example, a generational social mobility if you will.


As for what Growse stated, I agree to a point, but I voted Conservative because I agreed with more of their policies than I did the others. My decision had nothing to do with how I regard my social status.
 
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I won't describe a working class Tory as "vile" - people can vote for who they want for whatever reasons they want. I personally think those reasons should include a consideration for your fellow citizens but doing that I understand why a lot of people voted Conservative at the last general election (even though I disagree with that choice).

Interestingly Labour have identified that the largest group of voters they lost at the last general election were self-employed working class - plumbers, painter and decorators, builders etc. Winning these back will be priority number 1 for Ed and he won't do that by lurching to the left of centre. It's funny because when I walk through the posh estate near where I live, there's always a white van parked outside the nice houses - of course they might just be working there but I rather suspect that they've done quite nicely out of 13 years of Labour.
 
To be honest, I would agree that the label "Working class" really doesn't mean much to me. I have tended to associate it with hourly paid manual labourers but I guess that David Davis will explain it all on Saturday.


Apopcalyptic said:
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Must admit, I didn't know that it was written by Lennon - I only know it form Marianne Faithfull's "Broken English" album - having just listened to Lennon's version, I definitely prefer Marianne Faithfull's :)
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What I find most vile is the so called working man's party (Labour party)'s last priority was the working man and women. They let the work place be flooded with cheap overseas labour, giving them and our own lay abouts priority for housing and government hand outs. In the end running up a bill in the name of the working man and women, leaving them to foot the bill.
 
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Orcish-Horde said:
What I find most vile is the so called working man's party (Labour party)'s last priority was the working man and women. They let the work place be flooded with cheap overseas labour, giving them and our own lay abouts priority for housing and government hand outs. In the end running up a bill in the name of the working man and women, leaving them to foot the bill.
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Nu Labour turned into a party of champagne socialists, bleeding the working populace dry to fund their own pockets and redistribute "wealth" from everyone but themselves to force social mobility that never existed. Now we have a horribly fractured society where "middle class" individuals live in council estates and the working and underclass have more disposable income and less worries.

It'll take some fixing, that's for sure.
 
New Labour != Labour!

Orcish-Horde said:
What I find most vile is the so called working man's party (Labour party)'s last priority was the working man and women. They let the work place be flooded with cheap overseas labour, giving them and our own lay abouts priority for housing and government hand outs. In the end running up a bill in the name of the working man and women, leaving them to foot the bill.
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As Pestilence has mentioned, the actions of Blair's New Labour should not be seen as having anything to do with the Labour party or the working man or woman.

In the circumstance it is hardly surprising that they adhered to the maxim that "It's the boss wot gets the profit, it's the worker wot gets the pain."


I accept that your post was intended just as a racist rant ;)
 
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