Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2012, Yas Marina - Race 18/20

Newey is just the big name that heads up the team. He will have people under him in their aero department learning from him who will rise up as designers in their own right once Newey retires.

Its also just because his cars are fast. If someone else produced a quick car then suddenly their name would be in the spotlight.
 
Skeeter said:
Newey is just the big name that heads up the team. He will have people under him in their aero department learning from him who will rise up as designers in their own right once Newey retires.

Its also just because his cars are fast. If someone else produced a quick car then suddenly their name would be in the spotlight.
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Pretty much, Adrian is the driving force and comes up with the majority of the idea's but there is a massive team of designers under him that actually get the stuff to the car.
 
Adrian Newey is not a one-man aero design team, never has been. Eghbal Hamidy drastically improved Jordan and Arrows cars after being Newey's right-hand man, for example.
 
Skeeter said:
Newey is just the big name that heads up the team. He will have people under him in their aero department learning from him who will rise up as designers in their own right once Newey retires.

Its also just because his cars are fast. If someone else produced a quick car then suddenly their name would be in the spotlight.
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He maybe the big name that heads up the design team but it's a huge coincidence that where he goes championships follow. When he leaves the titles go with him. People actually scoffed when he went to red bull, semi retirement they called it because he couldn't get his way at mclaren.

Williams haven't won a title since he left and Mclaren have won one title.

Mclaren said they had strength in depth for when Newey went, look at how that's turned out. Williams too. Other names are not in the spot light because other names cannot do what he does time and time again.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Other names are not in the spot light because other names cannot do what he does time and time again.
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With plenty of money and some time (to organise a team in his department and physically realise the ideas). He didn't make a fast car in one year (in fact it took 4 years from his arrival for Red Bull to win championships).

Newey took part in creating winning IMSA and CART cars long before his F1 projects did the same thing. March actually dismissed him in 1990 because they felt he was putting too many resources into aero and results weren't forthcoming on the track. As I've said, he wasn't working in a vacuum either, people like Geoff Willis and Patrick Head partnered with Newey on the technical side.

Duke said:
The Chinese driver Ma Qing Hua will be in the HRT again Friday - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103869

I expect if he has backing (maybe state backing like Maldonado), he will be in their car next year.
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I doubt that. Not in a race seat, not with Clos being able to attract money and being far more competent (at least in GP2 anyway).
 
sr4470 said:
As I've said, he wasn't working in a vacuum either, people like Geoff Willis and Patrick Head partnered with Newey on the technical side.
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Of course but Head didn't do very well at all when he left. In fact he was clearly holding Williams back and Willis did reasonably well with Fisher at Williams initially. Didn't leave BAR/Honda in high regard and left Red Bull under a cloud iirc?

Mercedes isn't exactly setting the world on fire development wise either ;)

Of course I'm not saying he did it all alone, but when you look at the fortunes of those that assisted him or worked with him you would have to assume he was the driving force as he's coped quite well without them, while they haven't done as well.
 
Gayjin said:
http://plus.autosport.com/premium/feature/4805/what-is-the-point-of-a-super-licence/

Anyone have a subscription who can summarise what the controversy regarding the above is?
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I'm going to guess that either he doesn't meet the criteria for a super license, or he's just rubbish, or both, but has been granted a super license because someone wrote a big fat cheque.

For reference:

To qualify for an FIA Super Licence the requesting driver must already be the holder of a Grade A competition licence, and additionally meet the requirements of the FIA International Sporting Code, Appendix L. These requirements state that the driver must be either the reigning champion in a lower category of motor sport, for example Formula 3 (British, Italian or Japanese championship, or Euro Series), Formula 2, or GP2 Series (formerly known as Formula 3000), or must have consistently finished well in these categories. For example, a driver finishing in the first three positions five times within the last two years in GP2 will be eligible for a Super Licence.

Additionally, drivers who have competed in the IndyCar Series are eligible for a Super Licence if they finished within the first four places of the drivers championship. This allows drivers from the United States domestic series to move into Formula One without first taking part in other FIA sanctioned events. Under exceptional circumstances Appendix L also allows the FIA to award a Super Licence to a driver who does not meet the normal criteria if a vote reveals unanimous agreement by the members, and provided that the driver has completed 300 kilometres of testing at racing speeds in a current car.
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I'm positive he doesn't meet any of those criteria.

Edit: having looked on Wikipedia, its akin to giving the winner of the UK Ginetta Junior championship a super license.
 
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El_Watcher said:
You could say the same thing about someone like Paul Diresta. 5 wins in F3 2006, then 4 years in DTM. None of that technically qualified him for a Super Licence.
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He was reigning DTM champion when he joined F1, and had also done far more than 300km of testing in an F1 car.
 
pingwing said:
Only plausible way to liven up a GP that just needs a lot of civil unrest for F1 to take the hint that it's not worth it.
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There is another way.

They need to tell Vettel (or whoever the leader is) that their car is about to break. Another method is to have their car create spark underneath the car. This also provides a little excitement.

Other than that, I can't see any other way, now that RBR have now got their car working how they want.
 
sunama said:
There is another way.

They need to tell Vettel (or whoever the leader is) that their car is about to break. Another method is to have their car create spark underneath the car. This also provides a little excitement.

Other than that, I can't see any other way, now that RBR have now got their car working how they want.
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Ooo I was thinking of paying off one of the HRT's about £20 (the cost to finish next years car) and get them to block him all P1, P2 and P3 so his car isn't set up. Then get them to take one for the team and circulate for all of Q1 on the hard tyres and just wait till Vettel turns up near them. Then the entire paddock/crowd can should "commence ramming speed" and punt him off so he starts at the back....

More realistic than dinosaurs or sprinklers livening this one up.
 
Sprinklers (or a natural down pour), would certainly liven it up.

The main problem is that RBR have the best design and engineering team and for the last few years, no other team has been able to stand toe-to-toe with them. Even when McLaren had the best car, they failed to make it count.

I'd love for Ferrari to have the best car, at some stage, then we shall see how RBR deal with that situation. Alonso/Ferrari will definitely punish the opposition, in a way that Hamilton/McLaren couldnt.

The other way around this situation is for rival teams to lure design and engineering personnel away from RBR. I'm not sure how easy this would be to do, though.
 
Skeeter said:
I clicked that expecting to see that RBR had developed some funky new clever DRS device :(
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