Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2016, Yas Marina - Race 21/21

Rate the 2016 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix out of ten


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Mercedes finally showed their true colours. Poor show by them. Brawn was right in what he said about toto and co. Hopefully next season will be more interesting. Mercedes could well still be dominant though.

That said, with all hamiltons money, free cars, 3 WDCs and Rita ora to comfort him, I am sure he has moved on already.
 
Don't think Nico could have challenged Lewis. For once Lewis is quicker but more importantly we've seen many times how much Mercedes struggles in dirty air behind a car that's at least a bit competitive. He's done all he needed to, without risking any possible contact trying to overtake Lewis.
 
Mercedes finally showed their true colours. Poor show by them. Brawn was right in what he said about toto and co. .

It's getting tiresome all this tinfoil hat stuff but anyway...

Let's take the word of Ross Brawn he always let his drivers fight fairly. Oh hang on a minute.

Eddie Irvine may be a knobbler but he didn't even get the same tyres and engine maps as MS. The very same Ross Brawn who made Rosberg hold position and not over take hamilton at the 2013 Malaysian GP, a decision heavily criticised by Lauda.

Or the same Ross Brawn who stopped Rubens from attacking Jenson and told him to hold station way way before the championship was mathematically over.

Yep good old Ross, always fought fair.
 
Mercedes finally showed their true colours. Poor show by them.

Really? I guess you mean when they "played" the rules by giving Lewis 3 new engines in one weekend. They did everything they could to give him a chance, unfortunately for him it didn't work out. All they asked him this time was to drive the car they gave him at the pace the car is easily capable off.
They're on the grid to finish 1st and 2nd, not to be overtaken by slower cars because one of their drivers doesn't drive the car as fast as he can.
 
Just watched highlights after trying to avoid spoilers since yesterday and mostly succeeded. Congrats to Nico. Lewis shown he's still spoiled little kid and I lost last bit of respect for him now.

E: stupid autocorrect :)

Genuine question, what's made you form the opinion of him acting like a spoiled kid?

As my take on is the following, which I've tried to be objective as possible.

If it due to the way his emotions are not hidden or guarded, it's the way he has always been throughout is motoring racing career. What wrong with showing true emotion as for me that shows he has a passion about the sport. Granted in his younger years used to fly off the handle but like many young people we learn to control that over the years. It’s also one of the reasons, why I am a fan of LH is we get to see an unscripted person most of the time and not some PR monkey. It's also now one of the reason I have now started to warm toward Vettel as we are seeing his true character which is a huge positive for the sport IMO.

Following on from that and I will full admit, it’s one of the main reason, I don't like Rosberg. As for me it doesn't feel authentic, it’s all scripted. In fact, isn't there a quote on the forum where Rosberg was asked one question and gave a completely different reply?

What about Rosberg when he through the cap back at Hamilton, isn't that classed as childish?

If it’s his racing, he was in the lead of the race and in full control of the race. The only chance he had to win the world WDC was to hope that he Rosberg finished 4th or lower. There have been many drivers in the past who have performed a lot more questionable moves like Schumacher for example who took Hill off the track and the same with Senna and Prost. It also takes an element of skill to slow down the race while still maintaining control. As you'll need to know where your opponents are going to be at their strongest.

However, now it’s all said and done you do have to have some sympathy for him due to all the mechanical issues he has had. As to put it in to context he has many problems in 1 year as Rosberg has in 3/4 years. As Steampunk refers to earlier in this thread and which I agree I don't believe its a conspiracy. As to quote Paddy Lowe himself "It is mathematically possible to throw 6 sixes in a row. But you could make a compelling argument to say otherwise as the other Merc powered cars seem to run without problems.

It also doesn't help when a team like Merc in this example as well try to control the race. It's not good for the sport and it will only cause more friction. I guess you can also look at in another way is the amount of PR it has created for the Sport, which Berny seems to think all PR is good. As we are all talking about it now....

What I will say is Rosberg for better or worse has been there to clear the points up which leads to the WDC rather than to determine who is the best driver or not. Its not a easy task to take a the WDC but you do have to have a element of luck. However, congratulations to Rosberg for winning the WDC.

Also a lot of my comments are tongue and cheek as well before this post.
 
Why does everyone try and turn this into a pathetic two sides thing? Nico throwing the cap was childish, Lewis ignoring Nico in the waiting room was childish. Nico's video congratulating Lewis was classy, Lewis congratulating Nico on the podium was classy. We don't have to play silly fanboys and neither do you. We can recognise the flaws in drivers without demeaning their strengths
 
Genuine question, what's made you form the opinion of him acting like a spoiled kid?

Pretty much since day one I didn't like his off track behaviour and over time I formed opinion that he's spoiled, as most F1 drivers are. Whether rightly or wrongly that's how I see him these days. Sometimes he seems to be more interested in his dog and Instagram then racing. Like earlier in the season when they both had same problem and he couldn't figure it out but Nico fixed his problem, according to team anyway. Though in next(?) race Nico couldn't fix his problem so maybe I'm unfair. :)
I'm not a fan of either of them but Nico comes across better most of the time imo. Just look at podiums this year when Lewis wasn't up there. Pretty much all were entertaining unlike podiums without Nico.
Anyway I'm probably not the most objective person to judge his personality as I never really liked him since day one. Not to mention that I never met him in person. :)

Though no doubt he's better driver than Nico and most others on the grid for that matter. :)
But being the best or at least better than your team mate it's not always enough and certainly not enough to ignore team orders to drive the car as fast as he can when there are no mechanical issues.
 
Well done Nico. You are a very deserving world champion. What an achievement. Something very special happened yesterday in that Nico beat a three times world champion to the championship in the same car. It's like Coulthard winning the championship over Häkkinen or Webber winning over Vettel. Lewis tried all he could including lapping slowly which I think he took too far and disobeying a team order was also too far. No driver is bigger that the team. I personally think the reason why Lewis was so miserable on the podium is I don't think he will win another championship in F1. I think the Mercedes dominance will fade with the new regs especially the regs relating to the engine development. Ferrari, Honda and Renault will be working flat out and history has showed that these guys will be incredibly strong. Lewis is brilliant when things roll his way but not so good when they don't. All I can say is - Lewis get yourself prepared because Max is coming and he will be in a great car and he will be bloody quick.



Unless RB find a extra 2 seconds a race lap they haven't got a chance.
Next year will be another Merc season and Hamilton will be on a mission :)
 
Why does everyone try and turn this into a pathetic two sides thing? Nico throwing the cap was childish, Lewis ignoring Nico in the waiting room was childish. Nico's video congratulating Lewis was classy, Lewis congratulating Nico on the podium was classy. We don't have to play silly fanboys and neither do you. We can recognise the flaws in drivers without demeaning their strengths

Not sure if this was aimed at my comments but I was trying to highlight both drivers (Rosberg & Hamilton) have at times acted like children. :)
 
No, it suggest that Mercedes did not do a good enough job, which is true, even though Rosberg's car is proof that they are capable of doing so.

Twisting Hamilton's words like this (and it happens a lot) is why most other drivers are just boring drones who just trot out their corporate lines whilst managing to say nothing or showing any interest or personality.

Hamilton suffers from this a lot because he does wear his heart on his sleeve, but other drivers are catching up. Alonso and Button (maybe on their way out, they don't care), Verstappen (being young and ballsy), and the new "authentic" Vettel (frustrated by the lack of progress at Ferrari), have all shown more personality than the last few years.

i am not twisting his words, it was a direct quote.
It doesn't happen a lot by me against Lewis, you must have me mixed up with his own countries press, who would twist anything.
His insinuation is that it is the teams fault he didn't win a world championship.
Not his driving, not his bad starts, not vettel and max hitting nico on one race and knocking him to the back. Purely the teams fault.

It is his direct suggestion that makes it seem this was all completely avoidable, thus it happened on purpose, thus the world was against him.

He doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve, he strops when he isn't winning. There is one hell of a difference, look at his bad qualifications in the past three years, stroppy as hell, not doing interviews, yapping, wins in the Sunday, happiest most wonderfully open person you could meet.

He behaves like a six year old. Regularly.
 
i am not twisting his words, it was a direct quote.
It doesn't happen a lot by me against Lewis, you must have me mixed up with his own countries press, who would twist anything.
His insinuation is that it is the teams fault he didn't win a world championship.
Not his driving, not his bad starts, not vettel and max hitting nico on one race and knocking him to the back. Purely the teams fault.

It is his direct suggestion that makes it seem this was all completely avoidable, thus it happened on purpose, thus the world was against him.

He doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve, he strops when he isn't winning. There is one hell of a difference, look at his bad qualifications in the past three years, stroppy as hell, not doing interviews, yapping, wins in the Sunday, happiest most wonderfully open person you could meet.

He behaves like a six year old. Regularly.



Which is true.
His team are responsible for making sure all parts of the power unit are up to the job.
Clearly someone dropped the ball and Hamilton's power unit gave up in the Malaysia race. It was a brand new engine.

Yes parts do fail but the team knew this wasn't right(his other engine gave up) and should have tried harder to make sure it was ok.
He lost 25 points which means he would have won the WDC this year.
 
i am not twisting his words, it was a direct quote.
It doesn't happen a lot by me against Lewis, you must have me mixed up with his own countries press, who would twist anything.
His insinuation is that it is the teams fault he didn't win a world championship.
Not his driving, not his bad starts, not vettel and max hitting nico on one race and knocking him to the back. Purely the teams fault.

It is his direct suggestion that makes it seem this was all completely avoidable, thus it happened on purpose, thus the world was against him.

He doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve, he strops when he isn't winning. There is one hell of a difference, look at his bad qualifications in the past three years, stroppy as hell, not doing interviews, yapping, wins in the Sunday, happiest most wonderfully open person you could meet.

He behaves like a six year old. Regularly.

A direct quote that you interpreted with your own bias. Where does he say the team sabotaged his car? Nowhere. Your direct quote is that he hopes the team can give him a car that's as reliable as Rosberg's was. At face value, that's exactly what he meant, but you've twisted his words to mean that he's claiming Mercedes sabotaged his car.

I do not get this.
It truly reeks of him suggesting the team sabotaged his car early in the season to give him engine failures.
It is as if he thinks they were within the teams control.

You talk about a direct quote, and then make all sorts of stuff up that simply isn't there. Unless you're now going to claim to know what he meant instead of what he said.

As has already been pointed out, a bad start (already acknowledged by Mercedes as a design fault in the clutch they couldn't fix, and that affected both drivers) still leaves the driver chasing for a win or good points. An engine failure ends a race or gives big penalties meaning few points.
 
Still engine as well. Although I do expect rbr to be closer, the question is how much.
And with no engine development restrictions, it could change in season as well. Which hasn't been possible last few years.
 
Two words for you

Newey
Aero

That's a hope, but don't underestimate the huge amount of resources and money Mercedes can bring to bear, and the fact that Mercedes is a factory team making the engine and chassis in tandem. RB used to be treated as the Renault factory team, but those days are over.

I just fear (that as Toto alluded to a few months back) that with stability in the rules, other teams catch up. With a shake up of the rules, the team with the most money makes the best job of a new car.
 
Why does everyone try and turn this into a pathetic two sides thing? Nico throwing the cap was childish, Lewis ignoring Nico in the waiting room was childish. Nico's video congratulating Lewis was classy, Lewis congratulating Nico on the podium was classy. We don't have to play silly fanboys and neither do you. We can recognise the flaws in drivers without demeaning their strengths

This pretty much sums it up really. I don't think this thread has been too bad to be fair though. :) I've seen far worse elsewhere. :o
 
That's a hope, but don't underestimate the huge amount of resources and money Mercedes can bring to bear, and the fact that Mercedes is a factory team making the engine and chassis in tandem. RB used to be treated as the Renault factory team, but those days are over.

I just fear (that as Toto alluded to a few months back) that with stability in the rules, other teams catch up. With a shake up of the rules, the team with the most money makes the best job of a new car.

I'd forgotten about that. What if Renault decide well we are making this part x amount larger on the engine or moving x part to there?

RB: No you can't move that! or Oh god, why did you move that?!
Renault: Too late, we've moved it to suit our car... Feel free to use the older less powerful part though. :p
 
Which is true.
His team are responsible for making sure all parts of the power unit are up to the job.
Clearly someone dropped the ball and Hamilton's power unit gave up in the Malaysia race. It was a brand new engine.

Yes parts do fail but the team knew this wasn't right(his other engine gave up) and should have tried harder to make sure it was ok.
He lost 25 points which means he would have won the WDC this year.

Hamilton is also responsible for losing the WDC. His poor starts in Australia, Bahrain, Spain, Monza & Suzuka cost him at least 3 wins this season alone. With those 3 wins he would have won the WDC comfortably.

Stop blaming it all on engine problems. Both reliability and his poor starts has cost him at the end.
 
Hamilton is also responsible for losing the WDC. His poor starts in Australia, Bahrain, Spain, Monza & Suzuka cost him at least 3 wins this season alone. With those 3 wins he would have won the WDC comfortably.

Stop blaming it all on engine problems. Both reliability and his poor starts has cost him at the end.

I think it is best to say mechanical problems rather than engine problems. I can't remember the specifics if each bad start so Hamilton may have messed some up himself but most (if not all) were due to the flaw in the clutch design. Which puts the ball back in Mercedes court to give Hamilton a better car next year.

Though it does raise the question why it seemed Hamilton suffered more clutch problems than Rosberg.
 
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