Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2016, Yas Marina - Race 21/21

Rate the 2016 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix out of ten

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deuse said:
My point still stands. if his engine never blew up he would now be the WDC. FACT.
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True, but he'd also be champion if he hadn't flubbed his starts on several occasions or if he'd beaten Rosberg in quali and during the race at one of the six races where Rosberg beat him fair and square. So why count the reliability as the be all and end all of it?
 
Lewis would have won the 2007 title if McLaren didn't keep Lewis out on dead tyres at China, trying to shadow the wrong opposition, when Lewis tried to pit he messed up. Door opened for Kimi, he gladly obliged and won title at Brazil.

Alonso would have won the 2010 title if he had not been stuck behind Petrov for so long at the season finale at Abu Dharbi.

Mansell would have won the 1986 title, if his tyre had not shredded at Adelaide.

As Murray famously said, if is F1 spelt backwards
 
Mr Jack said:
True, but he'd also be champion if he hadn't flubbed his starts on several occasions or if he'd beaten Rosberg in quali and during the race at one of the six races where Rosberg beat him fair and square. So why count the reliability as the be all and end all of it?
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Roseberg messed up more so then hamilton though?

Remind me who won the most races and qualified on pole the most?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Roseberg messed up more so then hamilton though?

Remind me who won the most races and qualified on pole the most?
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Christ it's irrelevant. Had he been required to push more he could well have had those poles or races but he didn't need to take those risks. In the same way Hamilton didn't in the last few races of last year. Rosberg didn't need to go the very edge, doing so would have been stupid.

Then what would have happened you would all have been laughing at him for stuffing it up when all he had to do was come second. He had no reason at all for over stressing himself or the car when as clearly can be seen they can go so much slower and still get 2nd.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Roseberg messed up more so then hamilton though?

Remind me who won the most races and qualified on pole the most?
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in 20 years time all it'll say is 2016 World Champion - Nico Rosberg

And that's all that anyone will care about.

I have no idea who won the 1967 world championship or what his team mate's reliability was like that season, and I don't care... all I'll see if I look is who won, and quite frankly he deserved it because he got the most points.
 
smr said:
in 20 years time all it'll say is 2016 World Champion - Nico Rosberg

And that's all that anyone will care about.
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I'm not sure this is true, people still talk about the great and undeserving champions of yesteryear, and the best drivers who never won it. Nico will be remembered in the same way as Keke: as a driver who got lucky.
 
smr said:
I have no idea who won the 1967 world championship or what his team mate's reliability was like that season, and I don't care... all I'll see if I look is who won, and quite frankly he deserved it because he got the most points.
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I know perfectly well who the 1967 champion was thanks to Grand Prix Legends, and it's usually pointless answer on Pointless too. :p



Mr Jack said:
I'm not sure this is true, people still talk about the great and undeserving champions of yesteryear, and the best drivers who never won it. Nico will be remembered in the same way as Keke: as a driver who got lucky.
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He did get lucky, but that certainly doesn't make him undeserving.
 
this_is_gav said:
He did get lucky, but that certainly doesn't make him undeserving.
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I agree. In a different world, where Lewis did not go to Mercedes, Rosberg would likely be racking up is third world championship about now in much the same way as Vettel racked up his four on the back of a superior car against a teammate whose talent was fading. Rosberg's not as fast as Lewis, but he's a good driver.
 
Mr Jack said:
I agree. In a different world, where Lewis did not go to Mercedes, Rosberg would likely be racking up is third world championship about now in much the same way as Vettel racked up his four on the back of a superior car against a teammate whose talent was fading. Rosberg's not as fast as Lewis, but he's a good driver.
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Would he though? What if Alonso had taken the Mercedes seat?
 
Interesting - I thought JB got a drive offered to him at Ferrari, I think that was in 2011 at the end of 2010.. now confirmed.

EJ: Would you have driven for Ferrari, if the option came up?

JB: If it was the right situation, yeah of course, I would have loved to drive for Ferrari. Three teams that I wanted to drive for in F1 when I arrived, and they were Williams, Ferrari and McLaren, and I’ve driven for two of them. There was an opportunity at one point, but I thought this was the best place to be, and that was with Stefano as well.
 
Mr Jack said:
True, but he'd also be champion if he hadn't flubbed his starts on several occasions or if he'd beaten Rosberg in quali and during the race at one of the six races where Rosberg beat him fair and square. So why count the reliability as the be all and end all of it?
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"Mercedes boss Toto Wolff says he cannot deny reliability issues cost Lewis Hamilton the title this year"
"This year, clearly, Malaysia cost Lewis the championship"

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/18162075/malaysia-cost-lewis-title-nico-worthy-champion

;)
 
Mr Jack said:
True, but he'd also be champion if he hadn't flubbed his starts on several occasions or if he'd beaten Rosberg in quali and during the race at one of the six races where Rosberg beat him fair and square. So why count the reliability as the be all and end all of it?
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Because the reliability is totally out of his control. Yes Hamilton was not perfect in every race, but neither was Rosberg and Hamilton got more poles and more race wins demonstrating that even with both their faults, dodgy weekends, he was faster and won more.

What people are saying is that Rosberg had an advantage, in that his car did not fail as much as Lewis' meaning he could be less perfect and not have to win every race.

There are 21 races, and if Lewis won 15 of them but his car failed and he retired in the other 6, Rosberg could have come 2nd in ALL 21 races and still won the championship. Obviously that is an extreme example but it demonstrated how damaging car problems and retirments due to them can be, especially when your team mate will pretty much always come 2nd to you when you win and always win when you don't.

Now, don't get me wrong, that is the nature of F1 and Lewis isn't the first driver to have lost a championship because his car failed on him more than his opponent, but that is the fundamental reason as to why he lost it.
 
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Jono8 said:
Because the reliability is totally out of his control. Yes Hamilton was not perfect in every race, but neither was Rosberg and Hamilton got more poles and more race wins demonstrating that even with both their faults, dodgy weekends, he was faster and won more.
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But Nico won the DHL Fastest Lap Award for having the most fastest laps of the season so he must have been faster ;)

/statistics.
 
Steeps said:
But Nico won the DHL Fastest Lap Award for having the most fastest laps of the season so he must have been faster ;)

/statistics.
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Well yes they are all statistics technically (so not really sure of your point), but as said, retirements due to manufacturing defects in the car is the one that the driver has 100% no control over.
 
Jono8 said:
Hamilton got more poles and more race wins demonstrating that even with both their faults, dodgy weekends, he was faster and won more.
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He also got more podiums as well. 1 retirement extra on top of 2 early season engine failures contributing to poor results in those GP's, and the engine penalties in Spa because of those early failures.
 
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