Soldato
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should have been red flagged, simple as.
Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021, Yas Island - Race 22
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should have been red flagged, simple as.
Commissario
It wouldn't. If the race finishes under a safety car, the safety car still peels off into the pits and the cars finish the lap but aren't allowed to change positions - At least, I'm sure that's what's happened before. You still get the leading cars crossing the line first, the safety car isn't in sight.
Soldato
The sport has zero integrity left now anyhow, what is left to lose? The FIA use some totally lame, open ended statement in one line "use of the safety car" as a cover all for whatever the RD feels like doing on that day. He disadvantaged all of the drivers from positions 3 downwards, to have a final 'racing' lap, when we all knew the outcome would be either an accident or an overtake, it for for the spectacle only, not for SPORT.
The problem with the sub clauses is that the first 3 (a-c) all include caveats around "in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations", for clauses "d" and "e" these are ommitted. On that basis it would strongly imply that for those clauses decisions can be made that are not in accordance with the code of sporting regulations. This is where MM was both right and wrong. He was right in so far as he has not broken any regulations - he is allowed to do what he did. Wrong in that it created a false outcome. MM is to blame, but the majority of the blame sits with poorly worded clauses. As I mentioned previously in this thread, as the regulations are currently written, the race director could allow certain cars to start early, make other cars wait at the start, he can bring the safety car out when he wants and rearrange places however he wants. Precedent and trust have prevented this "abuse" in the past. The biggest damage MM has done is to create a new precedent and destroy trust in the race directors role.
No, that is irrelevant because Clause 15 and 15.3 is about officials and the ranking/authority over each other they have. It has nothing to do with overriding the rules.
It doesn't say he has overriding authority over the regulations. 15.3 is clearly setting out the relationship between the clerk of the course and the race director and who has authority over who.
Soldato
Didn't know that, thought they would just run behind it. Cheers
I'm still somewhat bemused that in a hearing regarding Mercedes challenging the Race Directors behaviour, not only were Red Bull invited to attend but that they effectively provided the primary defense for Masi's actions (he wasn't even present for the first part of the hearing it would seem) and were given a little over half an hour to go away after the first hearing to further develop that defense before the hearing reconvened.
Given there was absolutely no implication that Red Bull influenced Masi's decisions or behaviour, despite benefiting from it, why was Masi not expected to defend his own actions and behaviour?
That entire concept feels off to me - Red Bull participating in the hearing as the primary defense of the FIA Race Director and his actions.
Given there was absolutely no implication that Red Bull influenced Masi's decisions or behaviour, despite benefiting from it, why was Masi not expected to defend his own actions and behaviour?
That entire concept feels off to me - Red Bull participating in the hearing as the primary defense of the FIA Race Director and his actions.
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The radio messages are quite telling.
Christian comes on the wireless to Michael Masi saying "we need one more lap of racing"
Masi responds saying "hang on, we're trying to clear the track"
Just a few seconds later, five cars are told to pass.
Just a few seconds later, the safety car peels off for one more lap of racing.
When Merc protest that Max overtook under the SC then off course Red Bull can be there to defend themselves against the protest.....
Soldato
We have no idea what happened in that meeting, anything is pure speculation. and RB were allowed because they directly challenged them with the overtaking.
Soldato
Saying all of this, moving forwards, I do like the suggestion made previously that one easy out in these cases is red flag immediately, then restart with 3-4 laps to go and both then on optimum tyres, a proper shoot-out..
Sure it would still nullify all that advantage Lewis had gained over the race but I think everyone would accept it as that kind of thing happens. So no end of race under the SC, and fans get 3+ laps of wheel to wheel racing with optimum tyres/conditions..
Controversy ebbs and flows, a lot of people turned away from F1 in the "Ferrari International Assistance" days where they had that well deserved meme for helping Ferrari out at every opportunity, but things do change, lessons learned and I hope this is no different.
Sure it would still nullify all that advantage Lewis had gained over the race but I think everyone would accept it as that kind of thing happens. So no end of race under the SC, and fans get 3+ laps of wheel to wheel racing with optimum tyres/conditions..
Controversy ebbs and flows, a lot of people turned away from F1 in the "Ferrari International Assistance" days where they had that well deserved meme for helping Ferrari out at every opportunity, but things do change, lessons learned and I hope this is no different.
Those are paraphrased somewhat incorrectly but taking the point anyway, the Mercedes protest didn't accuse Red Bull of anything and this wasn't an on track incident between the two teams, so it feels very odd they should be involved at all, let alone more involved than the race director himself when it's his actions under question.
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Lost it at the start, pushed Lewis wide, dropped back, only managed to catch up when Lewis was held up by Checo and then when Checo was out of the way, couldn't keep within ten seconds of Lewis.
Only managed to get past when given a brand new set of soft tyres, against a very old set of hard tyres.
Yeah, clearly a 'well deserved winner'.
Soldato
the courts would have a field day over this
Soldato
I think several people now have pointed out that this is a misquote. Yet people are still using it.
Talking about the whole season, he deserved the WDC. Lewis rode a lot of luck and for him it ran out in the final race.
We know what the decision document published, which is who attended, which sessions they attended and what arguments each respective party put forth. Which bit of what I said would you consider to be 'pure speculation'?
Different protest and different hearing, keep up.
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