Acoustic Energy Aegis Evo 3 Speakers

Yes, they are good and that is a good price too. However, you may get more for your money second hand. Check for B&W DM603 speakers second hand, could get yourself a bargain. Remember you'll need to budget for a good amplifier too (again, check second hand. Stereo integrated is what you'll want)
 
Nowt to do with "wattage" as a Naim 20W amplifier will outperform and sound better than a 110Wx5 Sony AV amplifier. I would browse the Rotel and NAD websites for "stereo integrated amplifers" Looking at £150-£200 for the budget line.

But Rotel are a good budget brand to start off, or perhaps NAD. Also have Cambridge Audio. Those are pretty much in your budget area.

As for subwoofer, I would get BK Electronics XLS 200 as a very minimum.

http://www.bkelec.com/HiFi/Sub_Woofers/XLS200.htm

Although a subwoofer, poweramps lasts for years so I would get the very best you can afford.
 
ok right, i am getting really annoyed with the Z5500 speakers, i dont like the sub, it overloads at full bass and 6 bars of volume, its not performing to what a 10" with 188watt should do.

Assume i have £300 can you practically chose all the parts of rthe system, what i could possibly get for that, this including 2 speakers a sub and amp and whatever else i need, select 2 types of sub, 1 car and 1 Hi-Fi sub, if anyone can do this for me, would be better to see what i am able to do, i am thinking about getting a refund on the z5500's if possible. If you find it hard trying to find stuff for £300, go up to £400.


Thanks
Will T
 
For £300 I would just buy a stereo integrated amplifier and standmount speakers, you'll get good a quality system for that (new) And if you buy second hand you'll have a even nicer system.

Something like a Rotel RA-921, or Nad C320, with Kef Q15 or B&W 601's.

Buy the sub later, you're not going to get quality sub in you include that in your budget.

As for refund on the Logitech's how long have you had them?
 
No you can't return them, you've had them for too long.
There's the 7 day long distance regulations which you can return for a refund. Some allow 30 days. After 7 days can't return, but you have the usual 12 months warranty.
 
Omg, i will have to find someway to break them which dont void warranty, oh, well i get this clicking noise coz of power, logitech will refund for that, they told me so in an email.

darn, there tottaly annoying me, i dont get any good bass or anything now, and i was saying they were decent! if i got those 2 speakers and an amp, cant i just disconnect all speakers form the z5500 and connect only the sub/center into the sound card for the z5500, so i have those 2 Hi-Fi speakers and tempory have the z5500 sub?

also are these worht 30 quid? Speakers (ebay)
 
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You need an amplifier for those speakers. Those speakers look like white van man....so stay well clear.
And if you've blown the driver in the subwoofer that isn't eligable for repair, it's user misuse.
 
i havent blown the drivers, i know those speakers need amps, but if i got 2 speakers, and an amp, connected them to the ocmp, i still would have a conneciton free to connect the Z5500 sub to the comp.
 
So you want to use hi-fi bookshelf speakers instead of the Z5500 sats, and keep using the Z5500 sub, but you just said you didn't like the bass on the Z5500, so it doesn't make any sense.

Has something happened to the Z5500, or do you just mean your opinion of them has changed?

Those ebay speakers are Acoustic Solutions btw, who make really low end stuff mostly. I've never heard them but can't imagine anything too wonderful coming out of them. I've got an Acoustic Solutions home cinema speaker set and it's pretty awful. I don't use it anymore.

You can probably get some used Missions for around £50 with a bit of luck and patience. Missions have a big sound and plenty of bass, you probably wouldn't even need a sub. Most people use stereo hi-fi speakers, whether they're bookshelf or floorstanding, without a sub. Those Evo 3's go down to 36 Hz which is very low, way lower than a bass drum or bass guitar. Maybe a church organ might just get below that I dunno. In general floorstanders will go deeper than bookshelf speakers. Even bookshelf speakers go down to 45-55 Hz usually which is plenty for most music.
 
i thought some bass would be better than none, umm it depends, i can use software to make the sub sound better which i done before, just messed around with settings, also would some used missions @ £50 be able to go louder than all 5 z5500 speakers at full blast, that would do me fine as the z5500 speakers can give me a headache.


mmmm these look good, what do you think?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SCOTT-SJS-500...ryZ14993QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

For a decent subwoofer, its kind of a car sub i think, but this would do
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fusion-12-Sub...67QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3275QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

bet that would beat my z5500 sub.


I have suddenly taken a 180 degrees turn with the Z5500 and dont really like them anymore, at the moment the sub is at left side of me on a desk so its at about the same level as my head, and the bass is crap, there is hardly any, i turn it up to about 6 on some songs with the sub volume up full, and you hear the clicking of the sub overloading coz it cant take much mroe of that volume, and i was like, what, this aint loud, maybe its the location, but i dunno.

Is it possible to take the speaker outa the z5500 sub and make a new box that will make the bass and everyhting better + louder? maybe even mount it in my desk.
 
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You may get an "improvement" by moving the sub into a corner. It will emphasise at least certain bass tones.

I wouldn't reccomend buying the car sub. It will be difficult to amplify and will probably not produce quality low bass like a sub should. As suggested by squiffy, buy a Hi-Fi setup and add a proper sub later when funds permit (should you still want one). Did you look for the B&W DM603s, they are quality floorstanding speakers and, although not noted for being bass heavy, should produce ample low end. Its just a case of adding that sub later if it doesn't suit.
 
Unless you know the specifications of the Logitech driver, no. You can't just plonk a sub driver into any box and expect it to perform well.
Those still look like WVM speakers, I have to wonder how they manage to build a 2/3 way floorstander for £70.

You've ignored my advice about going with decent brands so I'm afraid I've given up. Buy those POS speakers but don't complain if they sound rubbish, perhaps if you're unlucky the wiring is shorted out inside, thus blowing your amplifer up.

By Rotel, NAD, Kef or B&W speakers and decent quality gear. Buy any old tat that looks like it's been dropped from a back of a lorry and be disappointed. At your budget you WILL NOT buy quality speakers / subwoofer. My recommendation would be (minimum price/quality, + for anything above that)


£200+ CD player
£200+ amplifier
£200+ standmounts
£400+ floorstanders
£400+ subwoofer if for music
£600+ subwoofer for AV (movies)

I think you need to read up on subwoofer design, and why a car driver, in a car box won't work that well under HT conditions.

I would also suggest going to av forums for advice.
 
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Unless you know the specifications of the Logitech driver, no. You can't just plonk a sub driver into any box and expect it to perform well.
Those still look like WVM speakers, I have to wonder how they manage to build a 2/3 way floorstander for £70.

You've ignored my advice about going with decent brands so I'm afraid I've given up. Buy those POS speakers but don't complain if they sound rubbish, perhaps if you're unlucky the wiring is shorted out inside, thus blowing your amplifer up.

By Rotel, NAD, Kef or B&W speakers and decent quality gear. Buy any old tat that looks like it's been dropped from a back of a lorry and be disappointed. At your budget you WILL NOT buy quality speakers / subwoofer. My recommendation would be (minimum price/quality, + for anything above that)


£200+ CD player
£200+ amplifier
£200+ standmounts
£400+ floorstanders
£400+ subwoofer if for music
£600+ subwoofer for AV (movies)

I think you need to read up on subwoofer design, and why a car driver, in a car box won't work that well under HT conditions.

I would also suggest going to av forums for advice.
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Whats this, CD Player, why would i need one of those? i dont have any cd's, cant it just be connected to the computer? cd are a waste of time in the house. What are Standmounts?

What do you mean Sub for music and one for movies, your suggesting buying 2, there must be a sub suitable for all :\.

So from what you have written, about 1 Grand + for the essentials :\, is this for Super High end quality, i am 17 years old for god sake, even with a part time job it would take me long time to earn 1 grand just for blowing just like that, what about Starter sets that are quality, if you've gotta pay over 1 grand just for a Hi-Fi setup just to get quality, then its not worth it, becouse that extra £800+ from the logitech z5500 wont make £800 worth of sound difference, its an 1337 waste of money, 400-500 would be better for someone who is just coming into all this Hi-Fi stuff, all my life i been used to listning to first it was Nicam Stereo crap TV's, then some sort of wierd goodmans surround sound home theatre system with some wierd sub/center all in one, then a Sony 300 home entertainment piece of crap, then best thing i ever heard was the z5500's, and now i am biggining to think these are a worthless piece of crap when there not and the X-FI sound card is making sound quality worse, the z5500 is one of the closest things to a Hi-Fi becouse if it were that crap, then Hi-Fi's would sound so clear and everyhting that it was Unreal, I dont know if These 50w Hi-Fi's go loud or is it just quality? is it the more watts the louder somthing goes? watts must matter, you see these Hi-Fi subs that are like dual 12" drivers that are like 1000watts and then most people say they dont like bass :\. As i have said before, i have never heard a Hi-Fi, i dont know if they will sound better than anything else, maybe they might, or maybe everyone with Hi-Fi's just say there better becouse of the money they thrown into buying these things?, some people spending nearly 1000+ on a sub, there obviously loaded, or maybe i am just poor, but my parents would never be able to shell out that much paper just for some speakers, and i dont think i would like to aswell tbh.

Some nice £100 speakers would do, if there good quality, second hand would be ok, dont usually like second hand stuff, neva kno were its been, then an amp, prefrebly second hand as they would cost a silly price new, then later on, i would only ever go to at the max 500 for a sub, and for a tempory period, the Hi-Fi speakers could use whatever they use, and the Z5500 would use the center/sub so i would have some bass even tho i dont like it much.




I wish i could position my sub in the corner, but any corner, and it wont reach the comp, if i have it in the corner near me, its at least 1-1.5ft away form the computer, would that do damage?
 
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CD player for CD's, if you have CD's and need to play them (sometimes easier than faffing around with PC in Winamp etc)

Regarding subwoofer, for music because it has less dynamic range (compared to films) you don't need such a monster subwoofer. ie for music a B&K XLS200 or Rel Strata will be more than sufficient. However for films you can easily destroy the bass cone during heavy and loud action sequences. I have owned subs from cheapy Yamaha, Rel Q100, Rel Storm, SVS and used M&K subs. You REALLY do need a good subwoofer for films, if you skimp have to watch the volume, or use a bass peak limitor to protect the sub. This is with a calibrated system as well.

You don't need to spend £1k, at least not straight away. £200 amplifier, £200 speakers, then speaker stands (if bookshelf/standmount) plus some on cables. Then £300 ideally £400+ on a subwoofer (ready made)

Stop trying to knock proper audio kit, a £1K Hi-Fi system will be far better than your 5500's. No matter how many times you pretend it isn't better just because you can't afford it (yet) doesn't make it so. Just work more hours, save up, look around, learn about Hi-Fi, demo some kit...by that time you'll have enough money to buy proper gear, and not some speakers a bloke tries to flog you in a pub car park. Do a search for "white van speakers" for some con stories.

A proper Hi-Fi isn't about loudness, if you just want it loud get a cheap Pro/PA amp and JBL horn speakers.

Standmounts are speakers roughly 1" high, so require to sit on speaker stands.

I bought my first Hi-Fi around 18/19...Yamaha £300 AV amplifer, £300 speakers, £250 CD player. I have moved from PC speaker junk, Midi sysem pap, budget seperates, and now mid-end seperates for Hi-Fi and AV, and it's worth every penny.

I've already mentioned a couple of brands/models...should be able to pickup them for £100 a pop from the bay, and will be a good system that'll last a while, and not just any tat (ie Sony/Technics junk)
 
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Will,
Can I suggest you try to get a sense of perspective on how good a decent stereo can be by going and listening to one. Find yourself a good local dealer (e.g. a BADA member), take some CDs along and ask to listen to say a £600 stereo system. You might be surprised by how good one is.
Generally a simple system is often a good thing, i.e. just a CD player, amp and speakers. The less functionality in a system, the more money can be spent on the individual components.

Unfortunately quality simply can't be measured in "watts" and power output. Some of the best systems I've heard were running low powered SET valve amps with maybe 15watts max. Again, the key point is producing "quality power" and matching it with appropriate speakers, not simply having massively powerful boomy bass.
If you find yourself unimpressed by a stereo system and simply want LOUD and BIG bass, go buy yourself a PA system. They're quite cheap for something that will deafen your neighbours.

Hope that helps.

BTW, I can't talk about £1000 stereo systems, I don't actually have much experience with them, so please don't ask my advice on those.
 
Yea i have looked on Ebay, cant see anything decent, some things appear decent for £100 but i aint sure, i aint trying to knock propor audio kit, but all i am saying is, pc speakers like the z5500 aint crap, i wouldent heard £800 better quality in somthing that costs £800 more, i just spent £150 on X-FI and what a load of good that did :mad:, i dont even have a job, was thinking bout building a computer and selling it for a profit but that wouldent work, maybe using £800 to build a computer to match the specs of a 2-3 grand poxy thing from pc world then selling it for like 1600, THEN i might go buy High End stuff, but the thing i can get my head around subwoofers costing these extreme high prices, just for the damnd thing.

And also no Hi-Fi system brand new for £200 would be better than the z5500's as the Hi-Fi would be cheap crap from the prices i have seen, the z5500's are brilliant for how much they cost, for PC Audio i have spent £350, inc speakers and sound card.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TEVION-COMPUT...categoryZ72406QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting << take a look at that, and thats why i think the z5500's are so amazing, that speaker system is the same type as i have used for about 2 years, and its rubbish. The thing that is annoying is, even if someone asks about pc speakers, which one to get, they still reccomend Hi-Fi on here, and the fact everyone says PC Speakers are crap, its like comparing a old shed of a car to a ferrari when comparing high end pc speakers with Hi-Fi's.
 
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