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and of course (at least with intel) don't buy the cpu without an igpu.... that igpu is always handy if your main gpu fails (and quicksync if you go intel, although cuda is arguably better)
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Advice needed to upgrade
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I am sitting on this setup:
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (and use it in eco mode 105W, with loss of 8% performance)
MSI PRO B650-P Wi-Fi AMD Socket AM5
Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2x 32GB) 5200MHz DDR5 RAM
Crucial P3 2TB PCIe NVMe M.2 2280 SSD
PSU haven't researched yet, but was looking at this one: MSI MPG A1000G PCIe5 1000W/Corsair RMe Series 1000W or Gigabyte AORUS P850GM 850W. Do I need a 1000W PSU? Maybe for the future?
The final price is hovering around £1200.
The GPU for now I can use the one that comes with the processor or use my old AMD 7870 meanwhile.
What do you guys think?
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (and use it in eco mode 105W, with loss of 8% performance)
MSI PRO B650-P Wi-Fi AMD Socket AM5
Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2x 32GB) 5200MHz DDR5 RAM
Crucial P3 2TB PCIe NVMe M.2 2280 SSD
PSU haven't researched yet, but was looking at this one: MSI MPG A1000G PCIe5 1000W/Corsair RMe Series 1000W or Gigabyte AORUS P850GM 850W. Do I need a 1000W PSU? Maybe for the future?
The final price is hovering around £1200.
The GPU for now I can use the one that comes with the processor or use my old AMD 7870 meanwhile.
What do you guys think?
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Soldato
If you're going to drop the 7950x performance down to eco mode, you might want to consider the x3d version which already runs cooler and you basically wouldn't lose the 8%.
Try to aim for 6000mhz ram, 5600mhz at a minimum (and then match infinity fabric to half that)
That Crucial nvme isn't great, it's gen3 so maxes out around 3000mb/s, you can get a much better performing gen4 drives, which can hit 7000mb/s, for not a lot more...
That board looks fine, but only 2 M.2 slots is a bit... 2020, would be a deal breaker for me. On the plus side, it had no thermal issues with a 7950X in HUB's testing. Of the less expensive boards, my personal favourite is Asus TUF B650-Plus (12+2 60A VRM, 3x M.2), but my choice of B650 boards would be Gigabyte's B650 Aorus Elite (14+2+1 70A VRM, 8-layer PCB, 3x M.2).
For Intel, I haven't seen any thermal testing yet, but probably Gigabyte's Z790 UD AX or ASRock Z790 PG Riptide (interesting board for a creator, 5x M.2 slots, though can only use 4 M.2 at once and 8 SATA ports
).
If you don't plan on buying a high-end graphics card (e.g. max 4070 Ti) then I'd get MSI's A850G PCIE5, but if you're thinking of a 4090 then I'd prefer the A1000G PCIE5 (for peace of mind). RMe is not an ATX 3.0/PCIE5 PSU and has a 7 year warranty (MSI's PSUs have 10), while the P850GM only has a 5 year warranty and most of us on here wouldn't touch them because of this.
I wouldn't buy it just because it is QLC (440 TBW in 2TB capacity, while WD SN770 is 1200 TBW
). Definitely not a drive I'd buy for an OS, or for a scratch drive.
For Intel, I haven't seen any thermal testing yet, but probably Gigabyte's Z790 UD AX or ASRock Z790 PG Riptide (interesting board for a creator, 5x M.2 slots, though can only use 4 M.2 at once and 8 SATA ports
).If you don't plan on buying a high-end graphics card (e.g. max 4070 Ti) then I'd get MSI's A850G PCIE5, but if you're thinking of a 4090 then I'd prefer the A1000G PCIE5 (for peace of mind). RMe is not an ATX 3.0/PCIE5 PSU and has a 7 year warranty (MSI's PSUs have 10), while the P850GM only has a 5 year warranty and most of us on here wouldn't touch them because of this.
I wouldn't buy it just because it is QLC (440 TBW in 2TB capacity, while WD SN770 is 1200 TBW
). Definitely not a drive I'd buy for an OS, or for a scratch drive.Hi guys, thanks very much for your patience. Just few comments about your suggestions:
1. The 7900X3D seems to not add any gains for productivity. Only games. So probably I am better off with the 7950X no?
2. The SSD to be honest I was thinking about the ADATA GAMIX S7 Blade because of its speed and technology but then thought, well do I really all that speed. Probably go back to this one case you guys think it is a good bet.
3. The board, quite like the Asus TUF B650-Plus however it does not come with wireless integrated. Would need to spend another £30 or so on an external PCIe WiFi board. If you were to tell me that it is better anyway to have an external WiFi board, probably will go with this. I found this one MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX that has 3 m.2, 14+2+1 80A and includes WiFi. It seems a nice middle ground. What do you think? However that Aorus looks great.
4. The supply, I think the 1000W is a good option because of the price I have seen: difference of £30 or so to the 850W.
So, after another iteration, I am now with this:
MSI MPG A1000G 1000W PCIe 5
Kingston Fury 2x32GB DDR5 5600MHz
MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5
Ryzen 9 7950X
Adata Gamix S7 blade 2TB
I look forward to your inputs.
1. The 7900X3D seems to not add any gains for productivity. Only games. So probably I am better off with the 7950X no?
2. The SSD to be honest I was thinking about the ADATA GAMIX S7 Blade because of its speed and technology but then thought, well do I really all that speed. Probably go back to this one case you guys think it is a good bet.
3. The board, quite like the Asus TUF B650-Plus however it does not come with wireless integrated. Would need to spend another £30 or so on an external PCIe WiFi board. If you were to tell me that it is better anyway to have an external WiFi board, probably will go with this. I found this one MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX that has 3 m.2, 14+2+1 80A and includes WiFi. It seems a nice middle ground. What do you think? However that Aorus looks great.
4. The supply, I think the 1000W is a good option because of the price I have seen: difference of £30 or so to the 850W.
So, after another iteration, I am now with this:
MSI MPG A1000G 1000W PCIe 5
Kingston Fury 2x32GB DDR5 5600MHz
MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5
Ryzen 9 7950X
Adata Gamix S7 blade 2TB
I look forward to your inputs.
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Tomahawk looks pretty good. The TUF B650-Plus does have a wifi version, but given the similar price of the Tomahawk it looks like a better board for the money than the TUF.
Yeah, I'd buy the A1000G PCIE5 too for £30, but I guess if you're never going to have a high-end GPU then there's just no need for it.
I don't know much about that drive, but the specs and endurance look reasonable for the money.
Yeah, most productivity apps don't seem to care about 3D cache, but the X3D models do seem to be a fair chunk more efficient (at stock). With the 7950X running 105 Watt eco mode, their (7950X3D & 7950X) multi-threaded efficiency is equal, according to this review (19:40).
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Remember you're not comparing with a stock 7950x, you're comparing with a 7950x with 8% (your figures) knocked off.... the 7950x3D (not the 7900x3d you mentioned) is close to the 7950x at full power all while running lower power draw and will likely still be lower even if you run the 7950x in eco mode....
If you go 7950x and put it in eco mode you do have the option of putting it back to 'full power' in the future if you need more performance etc
I've just upgraded to a 13700k & I do productivity workloads - more 3D oriented, so Unreal Engine, Cinema 4D, Octane Render, ZBrush etc etc
The reason I chose the Intel is purely because I could do a cheap upgrade re-using my DDR4 & slightly cheaper motherboards vs AM5. Also because it's my home machine & I do a lot of gaming on it.
If I were building a brand new system with DDR5 & if gaming wasn't a concern, I would go with the AM5 non-3D cache. They are just more efficient and offer a very good future upgrade path.
If you're not insterested in gaming, I'd skip the 3D v-cache CPUs, as good as they are, because it isn't going to matter too much to you.
You should also be honest with yourself about how much all-core CPU workload you're actually going to be doing. If a lot of your stuff is more lightly-threaded Adobe stuff, then 7900x & 13600k are better to look at.
Ask yourself if you'd be better off putting more into the GPU for your workloads.
I also chose to power limit my 13700k. I was able to achieve over 95% of the multicore performance with 190w, where default is 253w + , because boards don't limit it by default. It only took about 1hr of adjusting a few settings & running benchmarks.
It had the additional advantage of lowering temps & I'm only using an air cooler, albiet a high-end one.
I would definitely use the 125w eco-mode on the AM5 CPUs, you lose basically no performance using 2/3 of the normal power.
The reason I chose the Intel is purely because I could do a cheap upgrade re-using my DDR4 & slightly cheaper motherboards vs AM5. Also because it's my home machine & I do a lot of gaming on it.
If I were building a brand new system with DDR5 & if gaming wasn't a concern, I would go with the AM5 non-3D cache. They are just more efficient and offer a very good future upgrade path.
If you're not insterested in gaming, I'd skip the 3D v-cache CPUs, as good as they are, because it isn't going to matter too much to you.
You should also be honest with yourself about how much all-core CPU workload you're actually going to be doing. If a lot of your stuff is more lightly-threaded Adobe stuff, then 7900x & 13600k are better to look at.
Ask yourself if you'd be better off putting more into the GPU for your workloads.
I also chose to power limit my 13700k. I was able to achieve over 95% of the multicore performance with 190w, where default is 253w + , because boards don't limit it by default. It only took about 1hr of adjusting a few settings & running benchmarks.
It had the additional advantage of lowering temps & I'm only using an air cooler, albiet a high-end one.
I would definitely use the 125w eco-mode on the AM5 CPUs, you lose basically no performance using 2/3 of the normal power.
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Thanks for your input. In your case, yeah, makes sense since you have already DDR4 and a PSU. My PSU is only 550W and my memory is only DDR3.
EDIT: I am really undecided here:
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX AMD Socket AM5
MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK Wi-Fi AMD Socket AM5
Which one do you think is the best choice?
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With mobos with the same chipset there is generally less than 2% difference in performance in any given scenario. With AM5 being a new platform and the bios associated with some boards are just not where the should be, this leads to some very wonky performance differences in certain situations.
Whilst that particular Msi mobo is not tested in the below video it is worth watching as an indication as to where the Msi bios is in comparison to Gigabyte.
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This video is a month old now so msi may have improved their memory timings but you will need to keep an eye on bios updates for quite some time. I know you are looking to be using more professional tasks on this PC and not gaming but some photo editing is very sensitive to memory timings so it is relevant.
Another thing you will have to keep an eye on with those motherboards is whether SAM/Resize bar is enabled by default. Depending on what software you are using it may make a large difference in a positive or negative manner, is an odd feature that is mainly a positive but at times can cause significant performance losses.
Out of those 2 mobos I would go for the Tomahawk. I currently use an X570s and also a B550 Tomahawk in my pcs. The bios for it may not be the best at the moment but I am confident that Msi will sort that feature out in the end so just keep updating the bios when a new one is available.
Whilst that particular Msi mobo is not tested in the below video it is worth watching as an indication as to where the Msi bios is in comparison to Gigabyte.
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This video is a month old now so msi may have improved their memory timings but you will need to keep an eye on bios updates for quite some time. I know you are looking to be using more professional tasks on this PC and not gaming but some photo editing is very sensitive to memory timings so it is relevant.
Another thing you will have to keep an eye on with those motherboards is whether SAM/Resize bar is enabled by default. Depending on what software you are using it may make a large difference in a positive or negative manner, is an odd feature that is mainly a positive but at times can cause significant performance losses.
Out of those 2 mobos I would go for the Tomahawk. I currently use an X570s and also a B550 Tomahawk in my pcs. The bios for it may not be the best at the moment but I am confident that Msi will sort that feature out in the end so just keep updating the bios when a new one is available.
I'd take the Gigabyte, but they both look good. If it matters to you, I think the Tomahawk has superior audio (Gigabyte don't specify), it definitely has more jacks and spdif, which the Aorus lacks.
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I am in a very similar boat, even started a thread recently looking for advice. In similar budget also.
I am almost pulling a trigger on:
- AMD 7950x
- MSI B650 Edge Wifi (was gonna go for Rog Strix motherboard but its £50 more and seems to be worse off on I/O and power distribution, if I am not wrong)
- 2x 32GB Corsair Vengeance Black - 6400mhz
- Corsair RM1000x Shift 1000watt ATX 3.0 PSU (Went off PSU Tier List)
- I do have a WD Black PCIe 4 NVME 1tb M.2 SSD in the basket but might change it to something else, the speeds aint the best.
So far I am on £1420 basket.
I have a GTX1080 so not worried about getting a GPU now, rather future proof the whole system for later.
Was gonna go with 13700k but as mentioned in your thread, the power draw kinda pushed me away and decided to go all out AMD. Still deciding if I should pull the trigger on this build though because After Effects and Premiere Pro gave me a nice little BSOD in middle of the project on my current PC
)
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Another reason I am considering AMD is future CPU support. I believe Intel is no longer supporting this socket going forward so if you do want to upgrade the CPU in future, you will have to buy another motherboard.
I am almost pulling a trigger on:
- AMD 7950x
- MSI B650 Edge Wifi (was gonna go for Rog Strix motherboard but its £50 more and seems to be worse off on I/O and power distribution, if I am not wrong)
- 2x 32GB Corsair Vengeance Black - 6400mhz
- Corsair RM1000x Shift 1000watt ATX 3.0 PSU (Went off PSU Tier List)
- I do have a WD Black PCIe 4 NVME 1tb M.2 SSD in the basket but might change it to something else, the speeds aint the best.
So far I am on £1420 basket.
I have a GTX1080 so not worried about getting a GPU now, rather future proof the whole system for later.
Was gonna go with 13700k but as mentioned in your thread, the power draw kinda pushed me away and decided to go all out AMD. Still deciding if I should pull the trigger on this build though because After Effects and Premiere Pro gave me a nice little BSOD in middle of the project on my current PC
)Edit:
Another reason I am considering AMD is future CPU support. I believe Intel is no longer supporting this socket going forward so if you do want to upgrade the CPU in future, you will have to buy another motherboard.
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I am in a very similar boat, even started a thread recently looking for advice. In similar budget also.
I am almost pulling a trigger on:
- AMD 7950x
- MSI B650 Edge Wifi (was gonna go for Rog Strix motherboard but its £50 more and seems to be worse off on I/O and power distribution, if I am not wrong)
- 2x 32GB Corsair Vengeance Black - 6400mhz
- Corsair RM1000x Shift 1000watt ATX 3.0 PSU (Went off PSU Tier List)
- I do have a WD Black PCIe 4 NVME 1tb M.2 SSD in the basket but might change it to something else, the speeds aint the best.
So far I am on £1420 basket.
I have a GTX1080 so not worried about getting a GPU now, rather future proof the whole system for later.
Was gonna go with 13700k but as mentioned in your thread, the power draw kinda pushed me away and decided to go all out AMD. Still deciding if I should pull the trigger on this build though because After Effects and Premiere Pro gave me a nice little BSOD in middle of the project on my current PC
Edit:
Another reason I am considering AMD is future CPU support. I believe Intel is no longer supporting this socket going forward so if you do want to upgrade the CPU in future, you will have to buy another motherboard.
Amazing. I was really inclined to the i9 - 13900K and sometimes I have second thoughts (hahah!) because it looks like the apps I use benefit more from intel processor but I will stick with the Ryzen. I am just curious about that corsair DDR5 - I saw then and thought if it is worth the extra moneys.
The SSD I am looking at this from ADATA - it is insanely fast and it is Gen 4x4.
I am in a very similar boat, even started a thread recently looking for advice. In similar budget also.
I am almost pulling a trigger on:
- AMD 7950x
- MSI B650 Edge Wifi (was gonna go for Rog Strix motherboard but its £50 more and seems to be worse off on I/O and power distribution, if I am not wrong)
- 2x 32GB Corsair Vengeance Black - 6400mhz
- Corsair RM1000x Shift 1000watt ATX 3.0 PSU (Went off PSU Tier List)
- I do have a WD Black PCIe 4 NVME 1tb M.2 SSD in the basket but might change it to something else, the speeds aint the best.
So far I am on £1420 basket.
I have a GTX1080 so not worried about getting a GPU now, rather future proof the whole system for later.
Was gonna go with 13700k but as mentioned in your thread, the power draw kinda pushed me away and decided to go all out AMD. Still deciding if I should pull the trigger on this build though because After Effects and Premiere Pro gave me a nice little BSOD in middle of the project on my current PC
Edit:
Another reason I am considering AMD is future CPU support. I believe Intel is no longer supporting this socket going forward so if you do want to upgrade the CPU in future, you will have to buy another motherboard.
What's the difference between mag b650 tomahawk wifi vs MPG B650 EDGE WIFI?
£50 , aestetic differences and the Edge has a gen 5 M.2 slot whereas the Tomahwak only has gen 4 slots.
Amazing, and can it run ECO mode 105W? The edge.
Fab. I am inclined towards the Gigabyte. Do you Tetras if we can ECO to 105W on this board? I have decided and go with DDR 6000MHZ like Haz123.
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The shroud on the pure base is not on the reverse side where the shift connectors would be .
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