Advice on routine and diet

I'm gonna try from scratch for everything... except the squat... going to start on 30kg (including bar) and see how it goes :)

Tonight will be the first time...

Also started logging food today...

Lunch was something like 700 cals...
Snacks add up to 250
Dinner will be less as it is lentil soup with gammon and rice (had it before usually around 400 cals)
 
sorry for the double post, but mrthingyx, I read another post of yours, where you say that deadlifts below 60kg are pretty much useless (in this thread)

So should I start more with DLs?

so basically:
Squats: 30kg
BP: 20kg
DL: ?? 40kg or 60kg??
OHP: 20kg
BR: 30kg

Really excited for this program.. the problem is the gym.. there is only 1 power rack :(
 
sorry for the double post, but mrthingyx, I read another post of yours, where you say that deadlifts below 60kg are pretty much useless

I think the point behind this is, the bar is 20kg plus 2 20kg plates to get to the 60kg

If you lift less than that, it means using smaller weights like 10kg which means the bar is closer to the ground messing up your form (the bar should be at the middle of your shins).
 
sorry for the double post, but mrthingyx, I read another post of yours, where you say that deadlifts below 60kg are pretty much useless (in this thread)

So should I start more with DLs?

so basically:
Squats: 30kg
BP: 20kg
DL: ?? 40kg or 60kg??
OHP: 20kg
BR: 30kg

Really excited for this program.. the problem is the gym.. there is only 1 power rack :(

Hehehehehe... sounds like my massively over-inflated ego talking! :D

The point was that the dude concerned was stronger, but also (s hinted below), a lot of lower denomination weights are actually smaller, which screws with technique (as the bar will be lower... which provides a different training effect - google Deficit lifting - but that's a different discussion) and will chance the dynamics of the lift. So he was trying to get his form right... based on atypical circumstances = pointless for "straight up deadlifting form."

Unless you're training with bumper plates (which are - generally - 450mm diameter) you either have to make sure the plates you're shifting are 450mm diameter (I think 20kg ones in the cast iron ones are?) or lift the bar+plates onto some other plates to bring it up to the right height.

I think the point behind this is, the bar is 20kg plus 2 20kg plates to get to the 60kg

If you lift less than that, it means using smaller weights like 10kg which means the bar is closer to the ground messing up your form (the bar should be at the middle of your shins).

Yup. :)
 
I find myself opposite to a lot of people - I've tried all sorts of foods, work-outs, diets and I can't get above 75 Kg - no matter what.
I have ate insane quantities of food and worked out daily for months and think I hit 76Kg..for about 1 day once but that was with work shoes on...

I think I'd have to be rich to increase my weight as I'd need to eat for 3 people.
I can eat 2lbs of food then feel hungry enough to do it again an hour later.


But as others have said - all you have to do is keep track of it all and work everything out properly. I think the important thing is to come up with a plan that is a lifestyle not just a diet. Even if it takes slightly longer you want something sustainable and healthy you can keep up and enjoy the rest of your life - adding in more varied dishes as you experiment more if necessary.


1 thing there wasn't a mention of is your drinks for the day. It's very important and shouldn't be overlooked.
There really is no need to drink anything other than water if you can get away with it.
I have squash on standby for a glass a day if I fancy some flavour but I never feel right unless I'm consuming about 1.5ltrs of water a day - not including consumption during a workout which puts it up a lot. 1.5l is just to cover sitting around doing sod all.

I never looked at what is recommended - but that's just my preference and I can imagine so many diets being messed up by sugary drinks - especially those that drink a lot of coffee at work.
 
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thanks guys...

will start DL @ 60kg and see how it feels

the rest is as posted before!

Regarding drinks... I drink water at work (around 1L) and the occasional espresso!
At home I drink orange squash (the powder you mix with water which is sugar free).

Total drink consumption is around 2L a day sometimes less. (not including 0.5L during gym)
 
I find myself opposite to a lot of people - I've tried all sorts of foods, work-outs, diets and I can't get above 75 Kg - no matter what.
I have ate insane quantities of food and worked out daily for months and think I hit 76Kg..for about 1 day once but that was with work shoes on...

I think I'd have to be rich to increase my weight as I'd need to eat for 3 people.
I can eat 2lbs of food then feel hungry enough to do it again an hour later.

If you are eating lots and not gaining weight you are either:

- not eating as much as you think you are.
- choosing low energy density high volume foods.
- quite simply not eating a sufficient calorie surplus to gain weight
- have not accounted for your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) in your calorie consumption calculation
- are seriously ill (see a doctor)
- a genetic anomaly (see a doctor)

If you eat a sustained surplus of energy, your body WILL store it.

Edit: OP drink more water. 2L a day is very low (despite what the government guideline is). Gauge your hydration on the colour of your urine (pale yellow/straw coloured) is the aim. Dark and you are dehydrated, clear and you are over hydrated.
 
If you are eating lots and not gaining weight you are either:

- not eating as much as you think you are.
- choosing low energy density high volume foods.
- quite simply not eating a sufficient calorie surplus to gain weight
- have not accounted for your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) in your calorie consumption calculation
- are seriously ill (see a doctor)
- a genetic anomaly (see a doctor)

If you eat a sustained surplus of energy, your body WILL store it.

A genetic Anomaly sounds about right for me. haha

But yeah I'm sure if I sat down and went through it properly or got advise from someone clued up on all this stuff then there would be a rational explanation.

Most of my diet consists of Pasta, Rice, White Meat, Fruit, Veg, Nuts and Eggs - with Fish once a week.

I used to only be around 65kg - very underweight but adding a lot more Veg into my diet put me up 10kg within a short time. Clearly I just wasn't getting the nutrients.

Will have more free time in a few months so can focus on it more from there as more than like I just haven't put enough time/effort into it for long enough. I had to go in stages - my diet was pathetic for first 23 years of my life!!

My main reason is to get better at Squash as I lose games due to fitness levels which result in a loss of focus and poor technique towards the end of matches.



Funny you mention illness though - the doctors twice diagnosed me with a lifelong disease a few years back due to stomach pains I had and when I told them what I ate and that I actually lost weight they thought I had a disease. lol.
Idiots made my pains worse from stress - turns out it was nothing at all. Just a combination of diet change, stress with doing too much at once in my life and developing a slight intolerance to Whiskey (maybe).

Just thought it was funny they thought that - so much so that 2 of them diagnosed me wrongly and forced me to have loads of intrusive tests, scans, mri's etc - what a waste of NHS time and money. :rolleyes:
 
So yesterday was the first 5x5!

Squat
1x10 - 20kg warmup
5x5 - 30kg

Bench Press
5x5 - 20kg

Barbell Rows
5x5 - 30kg

On the squats warmup I felt some pain in my upper back and tightness in my right quads.
The back is fine now, but the right quads are still tight and when i bend (squat position) it hurts a bit.... Don't know if I pulled something or just muscle fatigue.
I don't think it was form as I've been doing squats for 2 years now with 60kg+!
 
Guys I have a question...

Since I cannot go to the gym on wednesday and friday...

Is it good if I do it monday, tuesday, thursday?

The reason I ask is that since squats are involved in every workout, I will have monday and tuesday consecutive with no rest.

Is this acceptable?
 
Guys I have a question...

Since I cannot go to the gym on wednesday and friday...

Is it good if I do it monday, tuesday, thursday?

The reason I ask is that since squats are involved in every workout, I will have monday and tuesday consecutive with no rest.

Is this acceptable?

It's fine... provided you recover appropriately. :)

You might find you start stuggling sooner - particularly on a weightloss regime - but it's not the end of hte world by any means. :D
 
Hi guys, another question from a newb. There is a gym that will allow me to train up to 4 times a week mon, tue, thurs, fri. I can not get access other days of the week and can only go at certain times. However, I will have the whole place to myself and can do what I like when I like. It costs twice what commercial gyms cost. Is this a good deal and will twice a week be enough with BJJ training up to 4 times a week also? I have never been to a gym before and the main gym is more than likely got to be really busy at the times I can make it. Thanks for any replies :)
 
Hi guys, another question from a newb. There is a gym that will allow me to train up to 4 times a week mon, tue, thurs, fri. I can not get access other days of the week and can only go at certain times. However, I will have the whole place to myself and can do what I like when I like. It costs twice what commercial gyms cost. Is this a good deal and will twice a week be enough with BJJ training up to 4 times a week also? I have never been to a gym before and the main gym is more than likely got to be really busy at the times I can make it. Thanks for any replies :)

Doesn't sound like it unless you are doing something that will get you kicked out a commercial gym...

What are you hoping to achieve? Have you read the OP of the GymRats thread?
 
Not doing anything to be kicked out of a normal gym, but this one does have the usual free weights plus strongman equipment. The biggest plus of it is having it to myself, not having to wait for others etc.

Im looking to do the stronglifts to begin with. I believe I have read it all.
 
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