Afghanistan Fighting

Eddie, the Canadians and Americans are in Kandahar - the last French deployment was to the South to allow Americans to move troops to Kandahar and Helmand
 
rypt said:
Eddie, the Canadians and Americans are in Kandahar - the last French deployment was to the South to allow Americans to move troops to Kandahar and Helmand
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Hmm, I'll tell the French & German guys I used to sit next to in the mess nearly every day during the 7 months of my life I've spent there that then shall I.
 
Eddie182 said:
Hmm, I'll tell the French & German guys I used to sit next to in the mess nearly every day during the 7 months of my life I've spent there then that then shall I.
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You do that, tell them they are supposed to be patrolling Kabul and then the South after the mini surge they had last year :)
 
rypt said:
So give our boys the right to shoot anyone who is armed and is non NATO soldier or Afghan army (or militia working for us) and looks even slightly suspicious. Have them confiscate weapons as they pass though villages.
Drop fliers over the region stating that the troops have these orders first though.
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Even better, send you over. You have all the answers. Just give you a gun, or a helicopter, and it will all be boxed off in no time.

Win.


I honestly wonder if you manage to dress yourself in the morning.
 
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rypt said:
No, it's about minimising the casualties that our troops can potentially suffer due to the fact that they are fighting an irregular army in a place where everyone is armed.
You need to start by making sure that ordinary people do not carry guns so that you can then easily discount them as being a potential threat.
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yeah do the same thing as the russians..

theres no victory in afghanistan, no chance m8. ur boys r fightin for wot?

the taliban believe they r fightin for god. whose got better motivation and reasons to fight, u tell me m8.
 
The situation in afghanistan ultimately has to be decided by the afghan people, our forces moved into the country and got rid of an opressive regime, now they should concentrate on training and equipping the afghan army/police to look after theyre own country, as for this idea of fighting for god, thats nonsense, the taliban are power hungry like any other rulers, they remind me of the political terrorist groups here in northern ireland, theyre sole motive is money/power and the lucrative heroin trade in afghanistan, profit will always come before ideology, its human nature.
 
Rypt, you can't disarm people without first making it illegal to bear arms. And if the americans ever tried to push that through they'd become hypocrites. Right to bear arms is supposedly to stop an oppressive state in the US and so any attempt to set up a double standard in Afghanistan would make the the current Afghani government look oppressive.
 
rypt said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8145603.stm
8 killed in 24 hours ....

WHY are the Brits the only ones doing any fighting in Afghanistan? Where are the Yanks, the Canadians, the Germans, the Italians, the Spanish, etc?
It is a NATO war afterall.

And why do we still not have enough helicopters for your troops to use - can we not borrow some helicopters and pilots from some of the other NATO countries? Or the Aussies?
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You got all that from an article reporting 8 particular deaths? had you have read just about anything other than that article, rather than playing connect the dots with the fetid pools of information your brain calls knowledge you would have realised you were talking out of your **** and not even got as far as the 'new thread' button.
 
American
Main article: United States Forces casualties in the war in Afghanistan

Of the American deaths, more than 470 have died in hostile action. Included in these numbers are four CIA operatives that were killed in Afghanistan, two in an ambush, one in a prison uprising in November 2001, and one in an accident. Some reports have put the number of U.S. deaths at 644, it should be noted that reported number is by seven higher than the DoD's tally which is 637.

As of June 22, 2009, 3,022 American soldiers have been wounded in action in Afghanistan, with 1,939 not returning to duty.[2]

Australian
Main article: Operation Slipper

The Australian forces in Afghanistan have suffered 10 fatalities. More than 65 soldiers have been wounded.

British
Main article: British Forces casualties in Afghanistan since 2001

As of July 01, 2009, the British forces have suffered 171 fatalities[5], and upwards of 2,300 combat injuries of varying degree[6] . The vast majority of fatalities have taken place since the redeployment of British forces to the Taliban stronghold of Helmand province in 2006, as only 5 men died between April 2002 and early March 2006. 142 fatalities were killed as a result of hostile action, while 29 are known to have died either as a result of illness, non-combat injuries or accidents, or have not yet officially been assigned a cause of death pending the outcome of an investigation.[7]

Canadian
Main article: Canadian Forces casualties in Afghanistan

Canada's role in Afghanistan, consisting of operations against the Taliban and other insurgents in southern Afghanistan (Kandahar Province), has resulted in the largest number of fatal casualties for any single Canadian military mission since the Korean War. A total of 122* members of the Canadian Forces have died in Afghanistan between February 2002 and July 7, 2009. Of these, 101 were due to enemy actions, including 68 due to IED's or landmines, 22 due to RPG, small arms or mortar fire, and 11 due to suicide bomb attacks. Six Canadian soldiers died due to friendly fire, while an additional 13 Canadian soldiers have died in Afghanistan as a result of accidents or non-combat circumstances; 6 in vehicle accidents, two in an accidental helicopter crash, 2 from accidental falls, 2 from accidental gunshots, 1 suicide death, and 2 unspecified non-combat-related deaths.[8][9] More than 350 soldiers have been wounded since 2006.[10]

*In addition to these troop deaths in Afghanistan, 1 Canadian soldier was found dead of non-combat-related causes at Camp Mirage, a forward logistics base in the United Arab Emirates near Dubai. Another died in a Quebec City hospital from wound sustained in an explosion during a foot patrol in country.

Danish

Denmark's first 3 deaths were the result of an accident during the disposal of a Soviet-era anti-aircraft missile in 2002. With a new mandate issued by the Danish parliament in 2006, Danish military operations have transformed from relatively safe non-combat operations in the centre of the country to combat operations alongside the British contingent in the violent Southern Helmand province. 20 soldiers have been killed in various hostile engagements or as a result of friendly fire, and 6 have been killed in non-combat related incidents, bringing the number of Danish casualties to 26.[11]. This list has two more casualties than the official defence fatality list, because the latter is disregarding non-operational, non-combat casualties (notes below).

Denmark is the country in ISAF that has had the largest number of causalities compared to the country's population. Out of all the countries, Denmark is also the nation which has the largest percentage of its soldiers who have died.

Rank, name, date and place of casualties:
Lance Corporal Andreas Søgaard Brohus, 17. juni 2009, Helmand, Afghanistan
Private First Class Martin Abildgaard , 17. juni 2009, Helmand, Afghanistan
Private First Class Mads Lerche Rasmussen, 17. juni 2009, Helmand, Afghanistan
Private First Class Sebastian La Cour Holm, 19. December 2008, Gereshk, Helmand, Afghanistan
Private First Class Benjamin D.S. Rasmussen, 19. December 2008, Gereshk, Helmand, Afghanistan
Sergeant Jacob Moe Jensen, 19. December 2008, Gereshk, Helmand, Afghanistan
Lance Corporal Dan Gyde, 4. December 2008, Gereshk, Helmand, Afghanistan
Private First Class Jacob Grønnegaard Gade, 4. December 2008, Gereshk, Helmand, Afghanistan
Sergeant First Class Henrik Christian Christiansen, 25, August 2008, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Lance Corporal Jesper Gilbert Pedersen, 25. July 2008, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Lance Corporal Christian Raaschou, 31. March 2008, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Private First Class Anders Bjørn Storgaard, 26. March 2008, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Captain Christian Jørgen Grundt Damholt, 17. March 2008, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Warrant Officer Second Class Sonny Kappel Jakobsen, 17. March 2008, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Warrant Officer Second Class Jens Mathias Petersen*, 13. March 2008, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Private First Class Morten Krogh Jensen, 24. February 2008, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Private First Class Mark Visholm, 29. November 2007, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Private First Class Casper Alexander Cramer, 29. November 2007, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Major Anders Johan Stæhr Storrud, 16. October 2007, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Private First Class Thorbjørn Ole Reese, 26. September 2007, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Private First Class Mikkel Keil Sørensen, 26. September 2007, Helmand, Afghanistan.
First Lieutenant Steen Rønn Sørensen, 3. May 2007, Helmand, Afghanistan.
Sergeant First Class (name not released)**, 3. December 2004, Kabul, Afghanistan.
Sergeant First Class Thomas Kruse Butzkowsky, 6. March 2002, Kabul, Afghanistan.
Lance Corporal Kim Carlsen, 6. March 2002, Kabul, Afghanistan.
Lance Corporal Brian Juul Nørløv Andersen, 6. March 2002, Kabul, Afghanistan.

*: Died from over-exertion during training. Not included in the official defence fatality list.
**: Committed suicide. Not included in the official defence fatality list.

Dutch

The first two Dutch fatalities were soldiers killed in an accidental helicopter crash in 2006. Since then, one pilot died in a non-hostile F-16 crash, and one soldier committed suicide at Kamp Holland. In 2007, one soldier was accidentally killed when a Patria armoured vehicle overturned at a river crossing near Tarin Kowt in Uruzgan. After that 14 soldiers were killed in action in the rest of 2007, in 2008 and in 2009. 39 soldiers have been wounded in action.[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21]

Estonian

In June 2007, two Estonian soldiers as part of NATO ISAF forces were killed in an attack in southern Afghanistan. On the 23rd of May, 2008, a soldier from the Estonian NSE-5 support element died from non-combat injuries.[1] Estcoy-8 soldier Allain Tikko died on June 15, 2009, while three other soldiers were wounded in a RPG attack in Helmand, Afghanistan.[2]

French

A total of 28 French soldiers have been killed thus far.[22] 23 soldiers have been killed in action, three in vehicle accidents and two have been killed in unexplained circumstances.
Main article: Uzbin valley ambush

The largest number of soldiers killed was when French troops were ambushed in the area of Sirobi, some 50 km (30 miles) east of Kabul, in August 2008. Ten French troops were killed and a further 21 wounded in the attack - the heaviest loss of troops France has suffered since deploying to Afghanistan in 2001.

German
Main article: German Armed Forces casualties in Afghanistan

A total of 35 German servicemen and three members of the German GSG 9 special police forces were killed, of which 22 by hostile activities. 118 troops have been wounded in action.

Italian

Seven Italian soldiers have been killed in action, two were killed in vehicle accidents, one due to an accidental weapon discharge, one was to an unknown non-hostile death, one due to natural causes, one died a week after being shot (he was wounded during a raid to rescue him after being captured) and a general defense staff officer was killed in an accidental airplane crash.

Lithuanian

Sergeant Arunas Jarmalavicius was killed in action, May 22, 2008, in the Ghor province.

Polish

Eight Polish soldiers have been killed in action and one was killed in a vehicle accident.

Romanian

Eleven Romanian soldiers have been killed in action in Afghanistan. More than 35 Romanian soldiers have been wounded in action.[23][24][25]

South Korean

Two South Korean soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan, one shot by accident in an argument on January 29, 2003, and another killed by a suicide bomber on August 31, 2007.[26][27][28][29]

Spanish

Of the Spanish deaths, 17 were killed in August 2005 when the Eurocopter Cougar helicopter they were travelling in crashed, six were killed in four separate attacks by insurgents, one died of a heart attack, and one died in a vehicle accident. Another 62 died in a Yak-42 plane crash in Turkey on their way back to Spain from Afghanistan.[30]
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Afghan security forces: 4,924 killed

Northern Alliance:
200 killed
Coalition: 1,226 killed (US: 728, UK: 184, Canada: 124, Other: 195)
4,255+ wounded
Contractors:
111 killed
2,428 WIA[citation needed]
Total: 6,355 killed
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Now what were you saying?
 
rypt said:
We are in Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban and their terror training camps - we did not go to Afghanistan to "liberate" the people - if they are unable to hold their own politics together that is their own damn fault. As far as I'm concerned the majority of NATO troops should be being used to fight the Taliban and not to keep the peace.
We have trained an Afghan army for 6 odd years to keep the peace - so let them do it.
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You clearly have no understanding of the conflict. Afghanistan is an historically diffuse country based on deep tribal and ethnic divides. Karzai has struggled to reconcile Pashtun and Tajik elements of his government, for example. It is incredibly naive to think that the US led coalition can win the conflict by fighting alone. The Bush government was incredibly weak on state building, but it is an integral part of the mission in Afghanistan.

As a nation ravaged by war and one that has never favoured any form of central governance it would be sheer stupidity to suggest that we do the fighting whilst they take care of the politics. The country requires support at all levels - in politics, economics, military and security.

The mission in Afghanistan is so much more complex than a simple war plan - that is where the whole thing has gone wrong. 2001's Operation Enduring Freedom was simply a militaristic war plan and a reaction against 9/11 with no real long term reconstruction objectives in place. This is why the Taliban were able to experience a resurgence. The inception of a strong government and a secure state is vital to the viability of a secure Afghan state. The Afghan people cannot achieve this alone.
 
I was under the impression that a lot of countries weren't pulling their weight and putting troops into the front line. Remember reading about german special forces being there for a while and doing no mission at all even though there was a huge lack of special forces!
 
My question is why are they not investing in radio jammers, as far as i can see most of the IED are radio controlled or controlled my mobile phone for which a signal jammer can prevent???
 
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Troops taking part as of April 2009...

United States - 26,215
United Kingdom - 8,300
Germany - 3,465
France - 3,200
Italy - 2,850
Canada - 2,830
Poland - 1,990
Netherlands - 1,770
Australia - 1,490
Romania - 860
Bulgaria - 820
Spain - 780
Denmark - 700
Turkey - 660
Belgium - 650
Norway - 588
Czech Republic - 580

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)

edit: i will say that the figures are somewhat misleading as many countries incl. Germany and France are not moving troops into the more violent south where the real fighting is.
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rypt said:
Again, having troops in a country is different from having them on the front lines.
I'm not saying we should let other people do all the work - but I think that we need to have some more support.
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rypt said:
So tell them that they may become targets if they are armed and also actively disarm them...

As for peacekeeping, the only hotspots are Kandahar, Helmand and the Pakistan border - everything else can does not have major fighting and can be patrolled by the Afghan army or local militia working with Afghan army.
Funnily you wont find any French or German troops in Kandahar, Helmand or the Pakistan border areas.

EDIT: What we need to do is take all the NATO forces that are doing peacekeeping and flood the Pakistan border with them to prevent movement in and out as the Pakistanis are not doing much of anything
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They may not be in the thick of it but they are doing a job that needs to be done. They are on the ground providing support and stoping the Taliban having free movement over all of Afganistan. If they never fire a shot so be it, it shows that Nato is starting to have an effect in Afganistan and that the Taliban is losing its war.
 
rypt said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8145603.stm
8 killed in 24 hours ....

WHY are the Brits the only ones doing any fighting in Afghanistan? Where are the Yanks, the Canadians, the Germans, the Italians, the Spanish, etc?
It is a NATO war afterall.
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Australia currently has around 1,500 troops in Afghanistan. We've been there since the start of the war, and we've been involved in some of the hardest fighting.

And why do we still not have enough helicopters for your troops to use - can we not borrow some helicopters and pilots from some of the other NATO countries? Or the Aussies?
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No, you can't have any of our choppers. But at least you were smart enough to buy our Bushmasters, like the Dutch and Yanks did.
 
I think the OP needs to actually look for proper facts about this war and not read the sensationalized tabloids and he will find that all NATO troops are in all areas.

Now how do I know this? I have a family member in one of the UK's worst hit battalions (1st Battalions Welsh Guards) who happens to fight alongside French, German, US, Danish and Canadian troops.
 
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