Age or specification?

remember this is a beemer so age really doesn't come into, a good 6pot (or more ;)) that is well looked after will have only been broken in at 100k, on verious bmw forums there have been loads of dynos showing that the old broken in cars seem to pull better figures than newer/low milage ones.

I would go for something older with full service but a bit special, for me a 530 would be minimum as it is a heavy car, really the 540 would give you the biggest grin factor.

I am more about the car than the toys, toys can be retro fitted pretty easily as they all tend tou have the wiring looms in place anyway.
 
Steve said:
I am more about the car than the toys, toys can be retro fitted pretty easily as they all tend tou have the wiring looms in place anyway.

Bang on, my e38 has the loom for Sat Nav, DVD, extra heaters & motors for the seats etc etc etc the list seems endless.

Its not as easy as it first seems to get an early e39 to look just like a late one, the bonnet's "kidney" is different and therefore the lights & mountings are very subtly, different.

I know this as my old man had the same issue when trying to update the look of his e39.
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This has possibly been sorted with later conversions, my Dads car was "modded" back in 2001 iirc.
 
My Brothers 530i sport has cost him around £1300 in servicing/maintenance (tyres/brakes/fixing faults) in the first 4 months of ownership.
 
What is the year of the facelift 5 series? is it 2001 onwards?

Which is the best engine, etc.

I'm considering a 5 series. Don't care how big the engine is!
 
[TW]Fox said:
Fixing faults? What went wrong with it?

The radiator had an identity crisis - it thought it was one of those old style stove kettles that whistled when the water inside it boiled :p BMW sorted out two problems with engine cooling - pump and a thermostat or pump and a valve of some sorts.

Then some blown bulbs, some audi equip problems (not BMW related).

He was also complaining a week or so ago that either the gear selection was not very slick or some kind of clutch drama, sorry but I wasn't actually taking much notice. :o
 
Incidentally - despite the fact it's thirsty, expensive to maintain and has a few niggles - he absolutely adores it.
 
Vanilla said:
What is the year of the facelift 5 series? is it 2001 onwards?

Which is the best engine, etc.

October 2000 - the first facelifted cars are on X registrations.

Best engine? On the facelift models there isn't a bad engine in the range, all are great. IMHO the best engine is the 3.0 diesel in the 530d. If you want a petrol, probably the 530i although hmmmm 540i is tempting.

I'm considering a 5 series. Don't care how big the engine is!

Then don't rule out a 520i. Seriously. They are very cheap indeed but are not as slow as you'd think - 0-60 in 8.5 seconds, the 520i facelift model has a 2.2 litre Straight Six developing 170bhp.

However, note that all 3 6 cylinder petrol engines have similar fuel economy so the 530i would seem sensible unless you find a bargainous 520i. There is a 192bhp 525i in the middle as well.

535i is pointless as it uses the same amount of fuel as the 540i but isn't as quick. Not really any quicker than the 530i. 8 cylinder models do not handle as well as 6 cylinder models becuase they have older recirculating ball steering systems due to packaging issues but I've not managed to try an 8 cylinder yet so I'm not sure how much 'worse' they are.

Whats your budget?

If its well over 10 grand I'd have to recommend a 530d, I'd be buying one myself if I could afford a really nice one. It's a brilliant engine.
 
When I said I don't care how big the engine is I meant petrol wise! I have a fuel card so even the M5 would be fair game!

Budget is around £15k. Was going for an RX8 (probably still am) but some of these BMW's look very nice and a 530 upwards would probably beat an RX8!

Looking on autotrader there are so many for sale with so many options.

Not looking to buy for a good few months though. Probably not until the end of the year.
 
Vanilla said:
When I said I don't care how big the engine is I meant petrol wise! I have a fuel card so even the M5 would be fair game!

Budget is around £15k.

You therefore want either..

a) A 540i Sport
b) A 530i Sport
c) A remapped 530d Sport.

530i and 530d will handle the best, 540i will sound awesome, 530d has epic ingear acceleration. All 3 are amazing, have fun chosing one :)

I'm not recommending the 530d for reasons of economy, btw.

M5 is just on another level... unfortunately in terms of running costs as well :(
 
[TW]Fox said:
M5 is just on another level... unfortunately in terms of running costs as well :(

Yeah, I probably couldn't afford the initial purchase or the insurance. Insurance is high where I am (currently pay £800 FC for a Group 5 car and i'm 24 with almost 2 years NCB).

On second thought's I'm seeing a few 2000 / 2001 M5's for around the 15k Mark. So tempting.
 
Vanilla said:
On second thought's I'm seeing a few 2000 / 2001 M5's for around the 15k Mark. So tempting.

Don't buy an M5 you can only just afford. They apparently cost SERIOUS moolah to keep on the road. They are, afterall, saloon cars offering almost supercar performance.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Don't buy an M5 you can only just afford. They apparently cost SERIOUS moolah to keep on the road. They are, afterall, saloon cars offering almost supercar performance.

Yeah you're right.

Just did a quick insurance quote for an M5 - £2680!
 
I'd be tempted by the older higher spec cars, but can't help feel they'll inevitably cost more to run - a combination of age and more complex electronics surely is going to result in more problems, which in a BMW would really cost an arm and a leg to fix, and given how long you want to keep this car far, I'd definitely be considering. I know its a different and earlier car but aren't some of the electrical/computery bits in the E34 7 series something like a grand to replace, if the main bit fails? Electrical gremlins can be a nightmare to troubleshoot as well.

As an aside, I'm surprised you talk about all the extra toys...

[TW]Fox said:
About £4-6k seems to get some really rather nice ultra high specification 528/535/540's. We are talking *everything* - Xenon lights, double glazing, electric memory seats, heated seats, onboard navigation, onboard television, electric blinds all round, blah blah blah. Whereas the 530i Sport just has the dual climate, cruise, most have leather, etc.

Lets take a look shall we...how much of these are actually really useful additions that you couldn't easily live without?

Xenons - nice to have :)

Double glazing - adds weight and surely rather pointless? German over engineering as its most obvious - the standard 5 without double glazing is hardly a noisy car is it?

Heated seats - quite nice to have I guess.

Onboard navigation - surely on the earlier cars this is going to be quite a dated system in terms of interface and capability, compared to say a TomTom 500 or something?

Onboard TV - Surprised you place any value on this, given the derision you've greeted others for having/wanting a TV capability in their car :). I seem to recall comments along the lines of 'OMG do you sit in the Maccy D's car park watching 2fast2furios', and 'whats the point cos you're only in the car to be getting somewhere, and you can't watch it when driving anyway...'. I'll freely admit it has some appeal as a gimmick, but practically I don't quite see the importance.

Electric blinds - Cos I'm sure everyone wishes 'ooh I wish i could stop the light getting in' so often whilst in the car :confused:

Electric memory seats - Now whilst I'll agree that electrical adjustment is nice, is it just me who just adjusts the seat to a position thats comfortable, and then leaves it be? So the fact that they're electrically operated is nice, but its not really a regular use feature is it? I'm presuming its mostly you that drives your car, given your parents both have their own cars, which renders the memory functionality completely pointless as I see it.

Personally whilst I'd be tempted at the idea of getting a higher spec car in your case, just because I could, of how much real value the extra toys would be in the day to day use of the car is something that would also be in the back of mind.

Lets face is, the 530i Sport is hardly poverty spec is it? I'd go for a newer 530i Sport, maybe try and find one with leccy seats and xenons if you're really that jussed, it saves faffing around with bodykit and headlights, and hasmuch less electrical stuff to go wrong (which it might do, and if its anything like the E38 7 series, will cost you an arm and a leg).
 
you do know the 2.8 litre engine in the 5 can be easily modded to 230 BHP? (from 197odd standard) by fitting a reworked manifold and big bore throttle body?

that would add some more oomph ;)

kit over age imo
 
Electric memory seats are just great; I'm sure most people in their time have had people drive their cars (garages or friends/family) and you can never quite get the seat 'just right' again.. don't have that problem now :)
 
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