I just keep thinking.....HD2900 equivalent performance(ok it may be cpu limited) in an AGP system and thats good going for the aging systems! It is a bit of a masterstroke to keep churning them out if they can as there is a definate market out there!
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AGP KEEPS GOING! HD3850! :)
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Indeed. Im sure these will sell really well, as there are lots of people who find it easier to simply change a graphics card than to change the mobo, CPU & ram as well. And there are a lot of people with decent CPU's with AGP mobo's (NF3 etc) where this card could increase the longevity of the entire PC.
Its a good thing for older motherboards to keep those systems usable, i might even concider one my self. my NF7+Xp3200+x800 is still a reasonable combination for current released games( bar anything using new unreal engine). With a newer card that machine would be able to continue on for abit longer. not as a primary machine, but still a good config to have around for lan games.
I should maybe add that dx10 support is likely a no go though as the generic agp drivers in vista are awful compared to vendor specific in xp. i cant see nvidia helping out my making dedicated agp driver for there older boards
I should maybe add that dx10 support is likely a no go though as the generic agp drivers in vista are awful compared to vendor specific in xp. i cant see nvidia helping out my making dedicated agp driver for there older boards
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Bang on there..... PCI-E will take over from AGP when most of those people with old P4/Athlon systems have decided to buy their "next" system from the likes of DELL, which will of course be PCI-E (PCI-E being cheaper than AGP amongst other things). Hell, most people i know dont have comps with PCI-E!
Untill then, ATI can make some "easy" money by pushing out cards for that sector. Especialy as there is very little competition from Nvidia.
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What makes you think that? I havent heard any rumors.
Nvidia have ignored the AGP market for a while now.... why would they change?
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I still have a few Athlon XP systems. Just about the only thing that can be upgraded left are hard drive and graphics. Pretty glad this option is still available for the machines where a complete upgrade is not an option. Sure, new systems I'd go with current tech but I try and make do with what I have if possible.
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I read that Nvidia have designed a new bridge chip to work with the 8 series cards as their old chip was incompatible, this could be why they have been a while. here is the link :-http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20070904PD209.html
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In theory, yes.
Let me qualify that though. This theory comes from a hardware industry that has been trying to convince us that AGP is dead since the hayday of the 6 series, in a hope that we'll all upgrade (which we did). The 7 series was supposed to be bottlenecked by it, but we all know the truth of that.
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Might be wrong but I read somewhere that 1x PCI-E is equivalent to 2x AGP.
I wouldn't bet on that. At 4x, and your calculation meaning that would equal 8x agp, the pci-e port performs worse than agp.
The higher end cards are severly limited (i.e. 2900xt/gtx/gts) by the 4x port. I would think agp would actually outperform a 4x port on the upcoming 3850 agp by quite some margin.
I would suggest that the actual performance comparison would be 8x AGP equivalent to 6x - 8x PCI-E.
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The higher end cards are severly limited (i.e. 2900xt/gtx/gts) by the 4x port. I would think agp would actually outperform a 4x port on the upcoming 3850 agp by quite some margin.
I would suggest that the actual performance comparison would be 8x AGP equivalent to 6x - 8x PCI-E.
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Argh! Just kill it already dammit!
wow you have a lot of technical, financial, and business knowledge!
Why kill it, and yes a great one more post count comment!
there are a lot of us still running AGP, who do not want to do a a complete system re-build and and would like higher spec AGP, there is a market, a limited one now, and I bet it could run for a year or two tops more, if AMD/Nvidia are prepared to roll out AGP cards, but by then, the CPU and other system components will be getting a little tired.
I am sure it is, I read that somewhere too.
That might be right on paper, but when it comes down to implementation a 4x pci-e port performs worse than an 8x agp port. On an x1950xt card your talking about 5-10% difference in performance. On cards higher than that, your talking a much higher percentage. I think loadsamoney(forgive me if i got wrong person) mentioned his gtx suffered about a 20-25% loss in performance when utilising the 4x pci-e port (compared to pci-e 16x though). The agp suffered no performance loss before, so I can't really say what the limit is for agp bandwidth wise really, as unless ati bring out an agp 2900 or 3800 card, we won't be able to tell for sure.
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Honestly mate....I think it wouldnt be a half bad fix
The HD3850's are certainly fast and for AGP users like yourself it could help your system last a good bit longer! To be fair though, surely this would be the last upgrade before a new system