Ahmaud Arbery killing trial

VincentHanna said:
From the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52623151



I'm not being funny, but one of the guys found guilty sounds like a moron anyway. Leaving a gun in an unlocked vehicle. That doesn't scream gun safety does it?
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So he was tresspassing and therefore the defendants had due cause to at least apprehend him if the police were incapable of doing so?

Maybe he didn't take anything because there was little to take.

If I saw someone trespassing in my neighbours garden even if they hadn't taken something would I be a good neighbour if I just ignored it?
 
The Running Man said:
So he was tresspassing and therefore the defendants had due cause to at least apprehend him if the police were incapable of doing so?

Maybe he didn't take anything because there was little to take.

If I saw someone trespassing in my neighbours garden even if they hadn't taken something would I be a good neighbour if I just ignored it?
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You know you're trying really hard to blame the murder victim for his murder...
 
The Running Man said:
So he was tresspassing and therefore the defendants had due cause to at least apprehend him if the police were incapable of doing so?

Maybe he didn't take anything because there was little to take.

If I saw someone trespassing in my neighbours garden even if they hadn't taken something would I be a good neighbour if I just ignored it?
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Would you go out and give someone a smack for looking at someone else's house? I doubt it.

Would you chase them through the streets, and then assault them with lethal force? I doubt that, too.

You might ring the police, or make yourself known, so the possible thief would take the hint and leave. That is a reasonable, justifiable action.

The big issue I have with the killing of Mr Arbery is nothing to do with his race: it is simply an unjustifiable use of force. That could have been anyone's son.

The killers were vicious idiots.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
I can't imagine how mentally ill someone has to be to constantly try and justify the killing of black men.
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I'm not justifying his killing.

Someone called his killers by a bad name. What they did was bad and unjustified. Do I think they set out to kill him? No did their and his actions lead to his death? Yes. He tried to fight the gun away to my knowledge. It would purely be speculation to say whether the weapon would have been discharged had he acted differently.

I'm just asking. Was the victim a good man? How would he be described had he not been a victim here?

Just because someone has been killed it does not erase their prior.
 
Minstadave said:
Why does it matter? I'm pretty sure his criminal and mental health background had no effect on the outcome here.
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Oh really.

Is this the same way that he was also aggressive with the police?

Had he not trespassed and had he not tried to disarm the killers do you think the outcome wpuld have been the same?
 
The Running Man said:
Oh really.

Is this the same way that he was also aggressive with the police?

Had he not trespassed and had he not tried to disarm the killers do you think the outcome wpuld have been the same?
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I don't think it does. Whether a master criminal paedophile or an philanthropist miracle working angel decides to take a stroll around a half built house, neither should be chased by an armed posse, who they themselves describe threatening to kill him and trapping him like a rat, and finally when they do get up close with him he tries to control the weapon he's being threatened with and gets shot dead.

Picking apart his background, good, bad or downright evil, doesn't really change the balance of what the three people chasing him did as they were unaware of that background.

His actions to trespass aren't particularly uncommon and are a minor misdemeanour at best, trying to take the weapon of someone threatening to kill you and chasing you until they can close with you doesn't sound unreasonable to be honest. Would it be reasonable to think his life was in imminent danger in that situation? I think so.

The words of the trial judge seem pretty sensible (stolen from Wikipedia):

"He ruled that the defense could not introduce evidence of Arbery's prior "bad acts", noting that the McMichaels were unaware of Arbery's past at the time of the murder. He justified his ruling by stating that the "character of the victim is neither relevant nor admissible in a murder trial", and that such evidence might also mislead the jury into thinking that Arbery's murder was "somehow justified" on potential "future dangerousness"".
 
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iamtheoneneo said:
Are you being purposefully niave or did you not watch a minute of the actual trial?
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I have watched the trial video.
He wasn't chased at all. The guy taking the video was long way behind him till they reached the 4 way stop sign.

The video guy gets about 40ft from the truck at the stop sign.
Then Arbery(for what ever reason) did not go right to exit that community.
Instead Arbery goes around the front of the truck and gets shot.

He should have just done right. He does have mental issues.
 
deuse said:
I have watched the trial video.
He wasn't chased at all. The guy taking the video was long way behind him till they reached the 4 way stop sign.

The video guy gets about 40ft from the truck at the stop sign.
Then Arbery(for what ever reason) did not go right to exit that community.
Instead Arbery goes around the front of the truck and gets shot.

He should have just done right. He does have mental issues.
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Yeh go read the trial transcripts and get back to me. Watching a video of half an event and having such a brazen incorrect opinion is something I cant be bothered to engage in.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Yeh go read the trial transcripts and get back to me. Watching a video of half an event and having such a brazen incorrect opinion is something I cant be bothered to engage in.
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From 7 mins in.
Same video from the trial.
The same 4 way stop sign. And the only exit from the community with out going back.
 
godinman said:
I wonder if there is some middle ground here, between the fictional narrative of an execution killing, and thoroughly honourable citizens conducting a citizen's arrest..

It seems pretty obvious that he wasn't just guilty of 'being a black man on a jog', he was snooping and from his history probably up to no good, but also there weren't justifiable grounds to hold him via armed force, armed force which escalated severely when he didn't just stay still and wait for police (there's no evidence that they were planning to kill him, although he wasn't to know that I suppose).

I think people who bring weapons in to even a morally justifiable scenario need to realise that the outcome can be hugely problematic even if you 'win' (looking at you Kyle).
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You are black, 3 men in 2 trucks are chasing you down, 2 of them armed. One has a confederate flag on his licence plate. You are in Georgia. I'd be concerned for my life in his shoes, he was right to be scared, he tried flight, they stopped him so he chose fight. They killed him. Then the murderer called him the n-word.
 
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