AI? Aye aye! *

From skim reading it in this case I don't think an overreaction as they are just asking the students to explain how their code works, which will be trivial for those who've actually come up with the code themselves.
 
Can't blame the professor.
Anyone can use AI to write many kinds of programs with zero knowledge. Look at the vibe coding nonsense where people acting like they are smart.
I did coding classes in university (don't remember any of it) think it was c++ was something to do with an interactive point and click game. Took ages to do it from scratch with no prior knowledge even with plenty of help. Remember sitting in the library on my laptop for hours going over thousands of lines trying to find what was crashing the program.
I could do a similar thing now within very little time with AI tools

They probably need to rethink how they do classes now.
 
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MatsyLR said:
Can't blame the professor.
Anyone can use AI to write many kinds of programs with zero knowledge. Look at the vibe coding nonsense where people acting like they are smart.
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I'd like to see AI do something like I did the other day - wanting to use the ATTiny85 microcontroller for a project due to its mixture of size and capabilities but found that on modern OSes its USB serial capabilities are limited / non-functional as over low speed USB 1.1 CDC isn't permitted on modern OSes (older ones ignore the "rules") and it can only function as a HID device - so my solution was to misuse the game controller driver taking advantage of being able to use background monitoring when interfacing with a HID device via rawinput (dwFlags = RIDEV_INPUTSINK) and stuff values into simulated button presses and other game controller features to transmit information.

And on that note rawinput is one of the worst things I've ever coded for, even heavily leaning on code by Alexander Böcken to save tearing my hair out...

(I'm generally sticking to the Arduino Nano [Every] for projects where I can).
 
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Given how much students tend to pay for courses coupled with how utterly useless many degrees are becoming I really don't blame the students.

UNI's need regulation, it's a double sided issue. They turned into businesses offering end products at cost rather than education facilities for competent people.
 
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Given how much students tend to pay for courses coupled with how utterly useless many degrees are becoming I really don't blame the students.

UNI's need regulation, it's a double sided issue. They turned into businesses rather than education facilities for competent people.
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One of the girls at work was saying the other day she has £57K of uni debt...
 
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One of the girls at work was saying the other day she has £57K of uni debt...
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Yeah.

You ever look at the entry level job market? There's a lot of stuff asking for any old degree for very basic stuff, it's lunacy. Kids needing to get into hard debt for things that really, really do not require it. Made worse by the fact some of those jobs would be better served by actual experience doing them over 2-3 years over going to uni and accumulating massive debt.

I'm glad that I'm getting old tbh, 41 next month and the world was being shook up even back when I was coming out of school.
 
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I'm glad that I'm getting old tbh, 41 next month and the world was being shook up even back when I was coming out of school.
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44 here and I increasingly feel like it is the inmates running the asylum :s there is so much I just have to shake my head at the madness of it all and I'm not even that much of an old man LOL.
 
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44 here and I increasingly feel like it is the inmates running the asylum :s there is so much I just have to shake my head at the madness of it all and I'm not even that much of an old man LOL.
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Yup.

Dating, joining the workforce, all of it looks like nightmare fuel to me. I'm so damned glad I dodged all of those bullets, and that's my being kind.
 
Surprised people even pursuing that now, unless it's just a small part of the course overall.
 
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MatsyLR said:
Can't blame the professor.
Anyone can use AI to write many kinds of programs with zero knowledge. Look at the vibe coding nonsense where people acting like they are smart.
I did coding classes in university (don't remember any of it) think it was c++ was something to do with an interactive point and click game. Took ages to do it from scratch with no prior knowledge even with plenty of help. Remember sitting in the library on my laptop for hours going over thousands of lines trying to find what was crashing the program.
I could do a similar thing now within very little time with AI tools

They probably need to rethink how they do classes now.
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It's too easy now, you don't even need to know how to code. Someone showed me the other day how in 5 minutes they can get chatgpt to build a bug free and relatively complex program in python
 
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It's too easy now, you don't even need to know how to code. Someone showed me the other day how in 5 minutes they can get chatgpt to build a bug free and relatively complex program in python
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Yes and no - as above try doing something a bit esoteric and using innovative techniques to solve a problem and AI will just fall flat on its face.
 
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Yes and no - as above try doing something a bit esoteric and using innovative techniques to solve a problem and AI will just fall flat on its face.
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I think it's game over when AGI gains traction. The bubble had to burst at some point. Only people who seem to have their head in the sand work in guess what.

That said, as it stands I think the people who will be ok are the ones who use AI tools responsibly and not as a replacement for them having to think at all.
 
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Noxia said:
I think it's game over when AGI gains traction. The bubble had to burst at some point. Only people who seem to have their head in the sand work in guess what.

That said, as it stands I think the people who will be ok are the ones who use AI tools responsibly and not as a replacement for them having to think at all.
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I think we are going to need AI which is considerably "better" than "human intelligence" to do something like I'm talking about above with using things in ways they aren't intended when it comes to programming - like proper outside the box thinking to solve problems. AI can be very good at creating code now inside the box, but it also struggles badly when it comes to innovative approaches to program wide optimisations.
 
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I think we are going to need AI which is considerably "better" than "human intelligence" to do something like I'm talking about above with using things in ways they aren't intended when it comes to programming - like proper outside the box thinking to solve problems. AI can be very good at creating code now inside the box, but it also struggles badly when it comes to innovative approaches to program wide optimisations.
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I agree, and I think it will be reasonably soon(TM). There is some crazy stuff going on behind closed doors that is already doing so. Not talking about the consumer grade LLM slop. Edit, ok slop is unfair but a lot of it is held behind some pretty stingy usage limits.
 
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I'd like to see AI do something like I did the other day - wanting to use the ATTiny85 microcontroller for a project due to its mixture of size and capabilities but found that on modern OSes its USB serial capabilities are limited / non-functional as over low speed USB 1.1 CDC isn't permitted on modern OSes (older ones ignore the "rules") and it can only function as a HID device - so my solution was to misuse the game controller driver taking advantage of being able to use background monitoring when interfacing with a HID device via rawinput (dwFlags = RIDEV_INPUTSINK) and stuff values into simulated button presses and other game controller features to transmit information.

And on that note rawinput is one of the worst things I've ever coded for, even heavily leaning on code by Alexander Böcken to save tearing my hair out...

(I'm generally sticking to the Arduino Nano [Every] for projects where I can).
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USBAudioClass 2.0 is also an ***** due to operating systems. I have an STM32 implementation for that but the number of 'errors' in the human examples let alone the AI is shocking. To make things worse the same humans messed up the DMA in hardware..
 
Rroff said:
I think we are going to need AI which is considerably "better" than "human intelligence" to do something like I'm talking about above with using things in ways they aren't intended when it comes to programming - like proper outside the box thinking to solve problems. AI can be very good at creating code now inside the box, but it also struggles badly when it comes to innovative approaches to program wide optimisations.
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At the moment companies are piggybacking of the commercial ones that we all know. You only know about public available a.i.

There are some serious a.i being built right now, Self-programming artificial consciousness, A.I is being developed right now, this is the most worrying.off all. You thought computer advancement was fast, over the last 75 years.

These new system are being developed to speed up medical experiments. The idea behind this is to develop drugs for all human diseases. Also to attempt to predict human consumption behaviour even battle strategies. Wages in this domain can make you an instant millionaire in year.

Now you get to see huge advances in transport technology and the progressive move to space exploration. The idea of Star Trek travel is not a dream any longer over the last 6 months there has been a huge advancements in quantum teleportation and engine design along with other ideas you see in sci-fi dreams.

They are planning to use robotics plus a.i and send them out into space, hence why they now want to put nuclear reactors on the moon. 6 years from now there is a very good chance you will see the first nuclear reactor on the moon.
 
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RxR said:
I'll stick to Sabine's opinion on the impossibility of warp speed travel.

Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction

Science News, Physics, Science, Philosophy, Philosophy of Science
backreaction.blogspot.com backreaction.blogspot.com
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What impossible now will not be impossible in the future. Theory's change as knowledge grows. Each generation is limited to the knowledge of current and past generations. Warp speed is not impossible. There's a good chance we will find something faster than the speed of light.
 
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