Aim is getting worse in Multiplayer, anyone else?

[I kill Bunnies]

It could well be desync or netcode. PUBG has been terrible for me the last few months, I would literally have my crosshair on a stationary target and no hit would register. I'm getting on a bit too, and whilst reactions slowly get worse they do not just suddenly drop off a cliff.

 

[MatteRB26]

Mine's inconsistent but then it always has been.

I find I tend to play better if I'm in a good place emotionally, and, of course, have practised a bit!

CS:Source seems, IMO, to reward better reaction timing than actual crisp, neat accuracy.

If you take too long to sight up an opponent, it's usually game over or you'll come off quite badly injured.

Source was always pretty easy to aim in especially with it's boxy hotboxes. I got back into it a couple of years ago and found an always filled office server.

Held a top ranking with a 3+ kd with an 80% HS rating playing deagle only

It's certainly still a fun casual game though - far better than CSGO for casual play

 

[Mike 702]

I for sure cannot compete in FPS games anymore, just not quick enough. For me is actually similar in sim racing, my reaction time is not quick enough sometimes, to save a slide or avoid a crash etc. Getting old 100% the reason for me.

 

[Scam]

Things have really helped since uninstalling Geforce Experience and lowering my DPI on my mouse

High DPI (and low sensitivity) is better. High DPI is more accurate because it’s the number of times the mouse takes a sample. Eg if you swipe your mouse (in real terms) 6 inches across your mousemat, low DPI will sample say 20 times. High DPI will sample 200 times and be more accurate. There’s a good YT video somewhere I’ll find when I’m on my computer.

The only reason pros use low DPI is because that’s what they are used to.

As for getting worse at CS (and probably other games a bit too) I think it’s just lack of time to practice. You’re never going to compete with 14 year olds that play 4-5hrs a day when you have a life, job, beers in the evening etc.

 

[MatteRB26]

High DPI (and low sensitivity) is better. High DPI is more accurate because it’s the number of times the mouse takes a sample. Eg if you swipe your mouse (in real terms) 6 inches across your mousemat, low DPI will sample say 20 times. High DPI will sample 200 times and be more accurate. There’s a good YT video somewhere I’ll find when I’m on my computer.

The only reason pros use low DPI is because that’s what they are used to.

As for getting worse at CS (and probably other games a bit too) I think it’s just lack of time to practice. You’re never going to compete with 14 year olds that play 4-5hrs a day when you have a life, job, beers in the evening etc.

The high DPI/low sens thing has actually been debunked* a few times. It was true in the Days of Olde where it caused drastic pixel skipping, but these days there's nothing worth worrying about.

In fact in quite a few cases the opposite will occur as you're running the sensor above native which causes inaccuracies itself

*Debunked in that it doesn't make a  worthwhile difference. Specific to CS, 3kliksphilip proved that while it made a difference, it was so tiny and required such close analysis it's not worth the worry.

 

[Scam]

In fact in quite a few cases the opposite will occur as you're running the sensor above native which causes inaccuracies itself

Well I wouldn’t recommend that. Unfortunately mouse manufacturers don’t help themselves by advertising silly DPIs up to 5000 or whatever. I run my Razer Viper Mini at 1000 I think, which is around native. It goes up to silly numbers.

Debunked in that it doesn't make a  worthwhile difference. Specific to CS, 3kliksphilip proved that while it made a difference, it was so tiny and required such close analysis it's not worth the worry.

The part I remember specific to CS was if you zoom in with an AWP and try to slowly move the mouse horizontally, the guy was showing that you can see very small skips at low DPIs like 400. He was debunking the claim that a lot of people in CS think 400 is the “best” because all of the pros use it. Use something more like 1000+ and you don’t see that skipping. Try it yourself.

But I agree, it’s all very minor and for amateurs it’s so irrelevant anyway. I was just pointing out the mistake above where the poster was somehow thinking that swapping to a lower DPI could somehow help. Because there’s literally no way it could.

A higher DPI and low sensitive is technically the best setup, but it’s really whatever you feel comfortable with.

 

[V F]

other people are just getting better and tons of cheaters

Servers are also getting worse. It's all cloud hosted gaming and worst of all the delay in hit reg. You can be taking damage before you can react to the screen as it's all delayed. Desync. That's not an age thing.
That is also a big problem so many get so severely confused with cheating. So many bad servers that they died to something they couldn't see. They just died. So they think someone is cheating. When you see or feel it, it does feel very fishy. You cannot help feel as if someone was cheating. Then there are some people who know how to exploit that.

Barrysworld/Railbait servers/server browser games back in the day were so much better than todays game servers. You'd at least have admins scope out a player for any fishy behaviour leading to kick/ban. If they were legit, they were allowed to stay. Gaming companies very rarely deal with cheaters. Cheats is all money making now and they promote it in sly ways.

100% age, my aim has deteriorated as I'm getting greyer.

Funny that in a way. I remember in the year 2000 playing Quake 3 with ball mice on 56k playing with 40 - 46 year olds then. Using an old desk mic back then having conversations with them while gaming, as voice did lag the games. How they were saying the young bucks here on the servers amongst other stuff. Now we're here. Sometimes it's frightening.

it's age, you're playing against 12 year olds amped up on energy drinks

That's going to catch up big time with them. Serious health issues.

40 here.
My days of counter strike and playing Unreal Tournament on 175% speed are long gone. And so are the days when i could spend 12 hours + playing them. Its just part of the process, we get older, slightly slower and have less time. Sure there are the occasional "OMFG i just one tapped him mid air 420 no scope", but its very rare now........................................... actually, its really bloody rare.

This is just like real life car/bike racing. If you're not doing it all the time, you lose that edge. You lose the reaction time, you lose the awareness. I remember Fatal1ty having these conversations on his twitch stream. It's all down to sleep, fitness and diet. People diss exercise on gaming like it has no effect. Exercise leads to reaction speed and fast thinking without actually thinking. Your mind becomes sharp. Plus lots of game practice. It all adds up.

It could well be desync or netcode. PUBG has been terrible for me the last few months, I would literally have my crosshair on a stationary target and no hit would register. I'm getting on a bit too, and whilst reactions slowly get worse they do not just suddenly drop off a cliff.

Exactly.

Well I wouldn’t recommend that. Unfortunately mouse manufacturers don’t help themselves by advertising silly DPIs up to 5000 or whatever. I run my Razer Viper Mini at 1000 I think, which is around native. It goes up to silly numbers.

The part I remember specific to CS was if you zoom in with an AWP and try to slowly move the mouse horizontally, the guy was showing that you can see very small skips at low DPIs like 400. He was debunking the claim that a lot of people in CS think 400 is the “best” because all of the pros use it. Use something more like 1000+ and you don’t see that skipping. Try it yourself.

But I agree, it’s all very minor and for amateurs it’s so irrelevant anyway. I was just pointing out the mistake above where the poster was somehow thinking that swapping to a lower DPI could somehow help. Because there’s literally no way it could.

A higher DPI and low sensitive is technically the best setup, but it’s really whatever you feel comfortable with.

There's one issue sticking to say 1000dpi. Zowie mice don't use software and has presets of 400/800/1600/3200. It's one of the reasons I don't change the onboard profiles. You could purchase a mouse that you cannot change the onboard dpi. Most mice that has software, even though you can change dpi in between the normal values. That can mess you up.

Should always get used to 800 or 1600 and lower the in game sens rather than messing with dpi values of 900/1100/1200/1300. Or worse, 550/750/1250.

 

[Scam]

There's one issue sticking to say 1000dpi. Zowie mice don't use software and has presets of 400/800/1600/3200.

That’s a fair point. I just checked and my Razer is actually set to 3200 and I did that because it was a standard number. Having picked up a few other games now (whilst I don’t play CS often enough to enjoy it), it does mean that sensitivities are too high. I just started Metro 2033 and even with the sensitivity on its lowest, it’s way too high for me. Although I do play CS with a very low sensitivity (almost two swipes to 180).

 

[V F]

That’s a fair point. I just checked and my Razer is actually set to 3200 and I did that because it was a standard number. Having picked up a few other games now (whilst I don’t play CS often enough to enjoy it), it does mean that sensitivities are too high. I just started Metro 2033 and even with the sensitivity on its lowest, it’s way too high for me. Although I do play CS with a very low sensitivity (almost two swipes to 180).

I used to play at 400dpi for years and as the mice got better, something that you didn't know what to make of it, the 400dpi seemed to feels worse for me. It was the micro adjustments. They felt delayed but not delayed if that makes sense? Over time I was jumping between 800/1600 back to 400/1600, 800/400 then settled with 1600. 1600 seems to feel great for quick micro adjustments.

Saying that, I was on 400dpi with 60Hz for so long. 400dpi doesn't seem to quite feel as nice as 1600 does with 240Hz.


Do people like control pads, fast pads, fast or slow skates, pure PTFE, rubber cords, paracords. I assume everyone uses a bungee. Do they have their eyes set correctly to the top of the monitor. Screen distance. Posture is a big thing as well, same seat position to how they played best, same arm position. Another thing Fatal1ty spoke of for competitive play as well as semi-pro. Is not using chairs on wheels or chairs that can swivel for consistent play.

 

[MatteRB26]

Well I wouldn’t recommend that. Unfortunately mouse manufacturers don’t help themselves by advertising silly DPIs up to 5000 or whatever. I run my Razer Viper Mini at 1000 I think, which is around native. It goes up to silly numbers.

The part I remember specific to CS was if you zoom in with an AWP and try to slowly move the mouse horizontally, the guy was showing that you can see very small skips at low DPIs like 400. He was debunking the claim that a lot of people in CS think 400 is the “best” because all of the pros use it. Use something more like 1000+ and you don’t see that skipping. Try it yourself.

But I agree, it’s all very minor and for amateurs it’s so irrelevant anyway. I was just pointing out the mistake above where the poster was somehow thinking that swapping to a lower DPI could somehow help. Because there’s literally no way it could.

A higher DPI and low sensitive is technically the best setup, but it’s really whatever you feel comfortable with.

I tried both combinations and as an awper there's honestly no real difference between the two. There's a very slight "smoothness" to the higher DPI which to me just feels like artificial smoothing and a bit gross - but that's just down to preference and what I'm used to. Not enough to affect aim or be worth messing my DPI for though.

I agree lowering your DPI doesn't instantly help at all, in fact quite a few of the newer CS Pros use "high" sensitivity. Mine is abnormally low... 400 DPI and 1.0 please don't ask me why

 

[Tired9]

I tried both combinations and as an awper there's honestly no real difference between the two. There's a very slight "smoothness" to the higher DPI which to me just feels like artificial smoothing and a bit gross - but that's just down to preference and what I'm used to. Not enough to affect aim or be worth messing my DPI for though.

I agree lowering your DPI doesn't instantly help at all, in fact quite a few of the newer CS Pros use "high" sensitivity. Mine is abnormally low... 400 DPI and 1.0 please don't ask me why

400 DPI 1.25, I use one of the pound land Scorpion mouse mats (The big one).

 

[RobDogDog]

I just don't enjoy multiplayer FPS as much as I used to. I grew up with Delta Force 2, Black Hawk Down, Battlefield 2, CS Source, Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat, Delta Force Joint Operations, the original COD's - some amazing online FPS games.

Now it seems to be a knee sliding mélange of Monster Energy Twitch Streamers who can't decide which hat to put on their character.

 

[agnes]

I always find it a right pain to get every game feeling the same with my mouse DPI these days. Take OW2 for example, drastically different mouse options and feel than COD MW. I just wish I could set my mouse DPI and not have to worry about game settings

 

[imtoooldforthis]

Reaction speed typically decreases in mid-late 30's, it certainly has an effect in sim racing just as it does in real life racing. I presume it’s equally relevant in fps games ?

 

[Scam]

Mine is abnormally low... 400 DPI and 1.0 please don't ask me why

I don't think that's particularly low, probably fairly common in CSGO even? Most noobs wonder why they're not accurate in shooters when they flick their wrist and do a 180 Most pros probably need a swipe or two with their whole arm to 180. Generally you should move with your arm, and do the first part of aiming with it, then you get the accuracy with your hand. That's why pro gamers use such big mousemats.

I always find it a right pain to get every game feeling the same with my mouse DPI these days. Take OW2 for example, drastically different mouse options and feel than COD MW. I just wish I could set my mouse DPI and not have to worry about game settings

Check the games to see if you can turn on raw mouse input. You can in CSGO and it's critical because it means it ignores your Windows mouse setting. As a sidenote I've been playing Metro 2033 and need to find out how to make the sensitivity lower!

These were the videos I was trying to find about high versus low DPI;
Short and sweet;

This guy reviews mice very in-depth but essentially saying the same thing (not just for CSGO);

 

[V F]

Reaction speed typically decreases in mid-late 30's, it certainly has an effect in sim racing just as it does in real life racing. I presume it’s equally relevant in fps games ?

What do you get from, this? same to others in the thread.

Human Benchmark

humanbenchmark.com

I'm around 154 - 167ms most of the time. Sometimes 175 if I'm not concentrating on it.

 

[imtoooldforthis]

What do you get from, this? same to others in the thread.

Human Benchmark

humanbenchmark.com

I'm around 154 - 167ms most of the time. Sometimes 175 if I'm not concentrating on it.

I'm not consistent at all based on that. Did it three times and got 165, 227 (lol ?) and 192. I've always sucked at shooters though, forever a 0.9-1.0 KD kind of guy.

 

[mrk]

Keep in mind many online shooters you will be up against a lot of players who live and breather the fastest Hz monitors, the higher end of high DPI gaming mice, and people like that often spend hours each day gaming and twitch reaction shots will be second nature to them.

Either get as good or accept that as we get older, keeping up with younger online players is pretty futile unless you too game to the same degree.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I noticed a measurable improvement when upgrading from a 144hz to a 240hz panel in competitive FPS titles. I'm really tempted to try a 360hz monitor.

 

[V F]

I don't think that's particularly low, probably fairly common in CSGO even? Most noobs wonder why they're not accurate in shooters when they flick their wrist and do a 180 Most pros probably need a swipe or two with their whole arm to 180. Generally you should move with your arm, and do the first part of aiming with it, then you get the accuracy with your hand. That's why pro gamers use such big mousemats.

Check the games to see if you can turn on raw mouse input. You can in CSGO and it's critical because it means it ignores your Windows mouse setting. As a sidenote I've been playing Metro 2033 and need to find out how to make the sensitivity lower!

These were the videos I was trying to find about high versus low DPI;
Short and sweet;

This guy reviews mice very in-depth but essentially saying the same thing (not just for CSGO);

The first video was interesting. That explains the rawness people say about 400dpi that I've always felt. The rawness really was the very tiny jitter of steps. Not jitter as such but that tiny skip of low dpi but when they up dpi they think there is smoothing when it's not. They're not use to a fluid precise movement. It's exactly like that feeling of jumping from 60Hz displays to 240Hz feeling too smooth. Then when you jump back, it feels notchy.