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maybe your AIO was poor but on ryzen I didn't see anything noticeable between my aio and my CWC system. My AIO was pretty good mind you.
AIO vs Custom loop with 360 rad on Ryzen 3000 series
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maybe your AIO was poor but on ryzen I didn't see anything noticeable between my aio and my CWC system. My AIO was pretty good mind you.
It was an H100i V2 with ML120s on a delidded stock 8700k. I was pleased with the AIO as a temporary solution, but I don't see how the two compare. Maybe your loop was poor? For me it's like comparing a console to a PC; two entirely different solutions.
I've got a 240 and 360, GPU heavy overclock, moderate CPU overclock. Fan and pumps run on lowest at all times. Very happy to be back on a custom loop. Plan to expand it later this year
Why do you stay away from EKWB? What loops have you run in the past?
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hmm read this, just worried about a leak - wish there was idiot proof kits,
how much cooler is CL vs AIO underload my 3900x is 68c and my trio card hits 66c whilst gaming - is it worth it?
My system spec is in sig, the CPU is delidded with conductonauhght. I get about 50C on the CPU and 40-48C on the GPU, heavy gaming @ 3440x1440, 100+ fps.
Pump & fans run at minimum; the system is silent unless pushed hard with synthetic benchmarks. I could get better temps if I allowed my system to be audible, but I don't want it to be. I only have a 240 and a 360 slim rad. Adding more radiator space would also reduce temps.
Leaks happen if you don't perform maintenance for years, or improperly build your system. As long as you thoroughly leak test, and perform regular maintenance, you're generally ok.
That being said, you're pumping water around your components, there is risk, which we try to mitigate with good practice.
In my opinion 'worth it' is too subjective a question to answer. A decent air cooler or high end AIO would get you good temps or quiet running, or a compromise between the two. C
Watercooling is the best of both worlds, it's a great hobby and something fun to learn, but it has its downsides: price of entry, prep, maintenance, and additional risk. It's also harder than building a regular system.
Purchasing from the Members Market would reduce the cost, and provide pre-cleaned rads, and members are always happy to offer advice.
The reason watercooling is worth it to me, is because I enjoy it; it'd part of my hobby, just like overclocking. It looks good and gets me exactly what I want from my setup. I love it.
If you're worrying, or don't feel confident, it might not be for you. Nothing wrong with that; normal people reckon I'm mental
EDIT: There are modular products that attempt to bridge the gap. I know of some fromEKWB and AlphaCool which look very good. They use QDCs for expansion and require a lot less work, leaving less room for error. Not my bag, but I can see the appeal.
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My system spec is in sig, the CPU is delidded with conductonauhght. I get about 50C on the CPU and 40-48C on the GPU, heavy gaming @ 3440x1440.
Pump & fans run at minimum; the system is utterly silent unless pushed hard with synthetic benchmarks. I could get better temps if I allowed my system to be audible, but I don't want it to be. I only have a 240 and a 360 slim rad. Adding more radiator space would also reduce temps.
Leaks happen if you don't perform maintenance for years, or improperly build your system. As long as you thoroughly leak test, and perform regular maintenance, you're generally ok.
That being said, you're pumping water around your components, there is risk, but we try to mitigate it.
In my opinion 'worth it' is too subjective a question to answer. A decent air cooler or high end AIO would get you good temps or quiet running, or a compromise between the two. Custom Watercooling is the best of both worlds.
Downsides to custom loops are: price of entry, prep, maintenance, and additional risk.
Purchasing from the Members Market would reduce the cost, and provide pre-cleaned rads.
The reason watercooling is worth it to me, is because I enjoy it; it'd part of my hobby, just like overclocking. It looks good and gets me exactly what I want from my setup.
If you're worrying, or don't feel confident, it might not be for you. Nothing wrong with that; friends & family think I'm mental
haha thanks, Yeah im gonna build my first loop using kit from mm ( wish me luck )
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. are you running stock or max PBO for 68 while gaming?. More chance of a leak with a custom WC than an AIO. You'll not see much difference between the two.
This is simply not true. What loop and overclocks etc were you running? Why do you recommend people steer clear of EKWB?
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it is for the 3900x having run an AIO and a custom loop on it. There is no significant difference. I'm sure you have the same experience from your 3900x.
What loop did you run? What overclock? Why do you recommend people avoid EKWB?
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depends on your custom loop! you build a custom loop with a 280mm to replace an AIO with a 280mm it may not be wildly different but you build a custom loop with thicker or larger rads then yes, it will obviously make a difference.
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That's assuming you are not getting enough cooling from one rad. I seen no difference going from 1x360 to 2x360 on the CPU because I was already cooling the CPU as much as I could with the block/pump/rad/fans I had at the start. Getting the heat out of these 7nm CPU's is not as easy as the larger 14nm chips.
Ah, this explains why you never answered my questions. How many loops have you run? One?
Exactly. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Theres so much to making the perfect loop. Flow rate, head pressure, rad capacity / thickness / density / fan speed optimisation, dual pump / redundancy options, proper reservoirs. Not to mention all the opportunities for variable monitoring, and addition blocks for VRM, GPUs, SSDs etc. It takes work to make the right loop for the right system, specific to your own goals.
That's the beauty of it. That's the point of it.
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Have to agree on wc the graphics card as well. In fact if I had to give up the GC or CPU water cooled I'd stick with the GPU. They seem far more sensitive to temp and throttle earlier than CPUs do. I can keep my 2080ti in the 40-50c range and OC to 2175 on the core and it'll still on occasion boost past that to 2190. When it was on air it didn't get near those frequencies as it just got too hot.
I think the newer boost systems have a lot to do with it; they're very temperature dependant. It wasn't always like that, though GPUs have always benefitted greatly from watercooling.
You're right though, dropping those screaming fans on a GPU is always lovely, at least with a CPU you can chuck a big brute of an air cooler on and get good results with (relative) quiet.
As an aside that's a lovely OC mate. My (comparably woeful) 1080 will peak at about 2,200, and they normally boost what, 200Mhz higher than the 2080ti? Nice.