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I need a set of epaulettes. Then I can convincingly speculate the **** out of this.
One question I have. Something that really leapt out at me is the way the pilots said "no thrust". They didn't say "engine failure". Would that be expected?
One question I have. Something that really leapt out at me is the way the pilots said "no thrust". They didn't say "engine failure". Would that be expected?
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I don't read too much into that, with the time they had they would have still been in 'WTF!' mode when they hit the ground IMO...
Yep exactly. Barely 100ft off the ground and feeling yourself sinking. I wouldn't be thinking straight either.
Also the mayday call hasn't been "confirmed" yet so it could still be a false report as opposed to the video footage we've seen, for example.
It's entirely plausible he described exactly what he experienced in simple language - that's what I would expect from a pilot under extreme stress.
Also, although not confirmed - the MAYDAY call has been reported by reputable news sources who I would trust to do some due diligence on what they report.
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That was reasonably irrelevant. In the 787 they're combined boxes that each contain a CVR and FDR, not like old times were you needed both to piece everything together. As soon as they had the first (which they did a day or two after) they had all the data.
Never mind, I think I'm wrong about that.
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No I think you're right
I visited the AAIB with work a while ago and got to talk to one of their team who works on recovering FDR data. They've had cases where the recorder was so damaged that the chips had to be manually removed and forensically analysed bit-by-bit to reconstruct the data. I didn't have a clue about half of what he was talking about, but it was fascinating nevertheless.
That's lucky, from my perspective as a pilot I don't think we get much opportunity to find out how all the other areas that make up the aviation industry work, which is a real shame. As for the AAI side of things, I find it fascinating as well and I must admit, it's something I'm thinking about pivoting my career into.
I'm right at the beginning of the process, making electronics for aircraft. I try to go to as many shows as possible always interesting.
I did an Aircraft Accident Investigation and Incident Response course back in 2014. The investigation element was run by the head accident investigator of Scandinavian Airlines, also ex. chief investigator for the Norwegian Air Force. The incident response element was ran by the head of incident response for the Star Alliance carriers who was also a captain at bmi, ex Midland. It was one of the highlights of my career and was absolutely fascinating. I considered heading down that direction but the demand was mainly for those with an engineering background and not so much for those with an operational background. There are jobs out there but it's often a case of dead mans shoes. Consider joining ISASI to make the right contacts - https://www.isasi.org/
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And I’m back! Two days suspension for hilarious posting in SC…
Anyway, I thought I’d add a video I took in 2011 of the TriStar RAT when we did a deployment test to highlight just how much spring pressure this thing is under to ensure it’s out and spun up within a second or so:
Anyway, I thought I’d add a video I took in 2011 of the TriStar RAT when we did a deployment test to highlight just how much spring pressure this thing is under to ensure it’s out and spun up within a second or so:
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If something like a fadec lost all power in an instant, could it communicate errors / failures to the cockpit - it maybe couldn't / didn't ? Combined with what appears to be the absence of anything obvious like a bird strike, or vibration from a broken engine, the pilots maybe just felt the engines roll back ... take couple of seconds to realise / process this ( took the hudson river crash pilots 3 seconds to comment on it after being aware of birds and actually hitting them )... shove the levers forward to ask for more ... wait another couple of seconds for response from engines ... realise you're not getting anything ... in the possible absence of failure messages, it seems reasonable to think 'no thrust' rather than 'engine failure'.
At which point the pilots would know they are falling and in real trouble and call mayday for no thrust. ( Hudson river crash pilots radio'ed mayday after about 20 seconds. The air india plane looks like it crashed in around 20 seconds from when the footage appears to show it lose power ).
Where are my epaulettes for all thie **** specualtion ?
I haven't seen mention of it in here yet, but a second Air India 787 Dreamliner has had technical issues today:
Air India Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner flight forced to turn back with 'technical issue'
An Air India Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner heading for Delhi has been forced to turn back after the pilot said the aircraft was facing technical issues.www.lbc.co.uk
Seems another one "today/yesterday" too but British Airways. A British Airways flight from London to India had to turn around mid-air when it suffered a 'flap failure' ...
British Airways flight from London to India turns round MID-AIR
The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner was yesterday less than an hour into its journey from Heathrow to Chennai when a pilot suspected a 'technical issue'.
Had to dump fuel before coming back to land, landed safely thankfully.
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Seems another one "today/yesterday" too but British Airways. A British Airways flight from London to India had to turn around mid-air when it suffered a 'flap failure' ...
British Airways flight from London to India turns round MID-AIR
The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner was yesterday less than an hour into its journey from Heathrow to Chennai when a pilot suspected a 'technical issue'.www.dailymail.co.uk
Had to dump fuel before coming back to land, landed safely thankfully.
Not sure if ‘fail’ is quite the right word rather than just caution/warning message. Always best to get to the place you can most easily get engineering support if you can too.
You can see it landing here 7:54:30 with full flaps:
There’s also this story of the BA A380 getting 3 hours into its flight before turning back to Heathrow because that’s the best place for it:
Yes looked like correctly setup for landing there.
No idea the DailyFail news it seems strikes again, unless that's what they stated when they declared an emergency and to come back to Heathrow. Happy to see it landed in a safe and normal manner with it setup correctly for landing.
Thanks for that video
.Thanks for the link, I'll have a look at it. I think you're right and having contacts is key, I know a couple of positions came up relatively recently. I'm looking at doing the Accident Investigation M.Sc at Cranfield as a way to get started. As with everything though, it's a case of time, money and finally getting off my backside to do it.
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