Airlines to start weighing passengers..

Energize · 16 Aug 2015 at 18:34

Unluckyalf said:
Not exactly a fair example though is it?
Planes of that size are far more critical with weight and load balancing. In fact, flights i take where the passenger limit is less than 22 everyone is routinely weighted prior to boarding, though its more for load balancing than anything else. With commercial jets i would imaging the fuel load would be the single largest load, and jets rarely fly with all their fuel tanks at capacity.

Find an example of a modern commercial jet that takes 70+ passengers and you would have a fairer example

It's pretty fair if you're flying on one of those planes...

Every aircraft is vulnerable to overloading or uneven loading.

GIBSrUS · 16 Aug 2015 at 22:09

Bear said:
If that is the case, how would you feel about changes to say increase taxes for sick people that use the NHS more than someone that barely uses it at all, or say penalising people for throwing more rubbish away because they don't make any effort to recycle as a for instance?

People are using the logical arguement that because there is a fixed price, there is an inherent unfairness in usage of fuel from a heavier person and their fixed weight baggage to a lighter person and their fix weight baggage. There is no arguement that logically there is an unfairness.

You could logically argue that the taxation system and access to services is also unfair, in that poorer people have disproportionate access to services to which they contribute very little to nothing to. There is no arguement that logically there is an unfairness.

Should this unfairness be looked into if all people are concerned about is fairness?

Did you really compare a basic human need with the luxury of international travel? Charging individuals for their usage of healthcare on a case by case basis, at one extreme, is simply a privatised system and all the pros and cons that go with it. We aren't talking about flying as a public service here.

Bear · 17 Aug 2015 at 05:32

GIBSrUS said:
Did you really compare a basic human need with the luxury of international travel? Charging individuals for their usage of healthcare on a case by case basis, at one extreme, is simply a privatised system and all the pros and cons that go with it. We aren't talking about flying as a public service here.

I was comparing the logical positions of fairness based on contribution and circumstance, the fact of private vs public service is irrelevant.

Of course the comparison is ridiculous, it was meant to be why was why I asked it as a question and not a statement of fairness. All the same, Snowdog of whom I asked the question to partly maintained his position on the principle of applying it to public services.

Tefal · 17 Aug 2015 at 05:44

Bear said:
If that is the case, how would you feel about changes to say increase taxes for sick people that use the NHS more than someone that barely uses it at all,

like say taxes on cigarettes?.

or say penalising people for throwing more rubbish away because they don't make any effort to recycle as a for instance?

like say fines for not sorting your recycling properly?

or over filling your bins?

People are using the logical arguement that because there is a fixed price, there is an inherent unfairness in usage of fuel from a heavier person and their fixed weight baggage to a lighter person and their fix weight baggage. There is no arguement that logically there is an unfairness.

You could logically argue that the taxation system and access to services is also unfair, in that poorer people have disproportionate access to services to which they contribute very little to nothing to. There is no arguement that logically there is an unfairness.

Should this unfairness be looked into if all people are concerned about is fairness?

you say "logically" there is no unfairness, yet provide no actual logic to back up that statement?

Bear · 17 Aug 2015 at 07:34

Tefal said:
you say "logically" there is no unfairness, yet provide no actual logic to back up that statement?

I said there is an unfairness.

ubersonic · 17 Aug 2015 at 08:32

This is actually long overdue, the have been numerous crashes over the years caused entirely by planes being overweight due to the passengers mostly being above average weight (passengers x average weight is the calc used for passenger load).

Tefal · 17 Aug 2015 at 08:36

Bear said:
I said there is an unfairness.

i blame lack of sleep

Tefal · 17 Aug 2015 at 08:36

ubersonic said:
This is actually long overdue, the have been numerous crashes over the years caused entirely by planes being overweight due to the passengers mostly being above average weight (passengers x average weight is the calc used for passenger load).

really? which ones?

ubersonic · 17 Aug 2015 at 09:30

Tefal said:
really? which ones?

Off the top of my head, Air Midwest 5481 on 08/01/03, if you Google it it says that "the aircraft was overloaded due to outdated formulae for calculation of passenger weights". What it doesn't say is that it's still the standard formula used by all the airlines.

I know the have been others though just can't think of the names off hand.

Tefal · 17 Aug 2015 at 11:38

ubersonic said:
Off the top of my head, Air Midwest 5481 on 08/01/03, if you Google it it says that "the aircraft was overloaded due to outdated formulae for calculation of passenger weights". What it doesn't say is that it's still the standard formula used by all the airlines.

I know the have been others though just can't think of the names off hand.

got one for anything like a modern passenger jet?

not a tiny business with less than 20 people on it.

cause i suspect a little plane like that is more susceptible than a airliner with 200 +