I mean not to mention price of DDR5 as well, it really needs to be something mind blowing good for anyone to fork out for a new board, ram and cpu and maybe even a cooler if the socket size is different too. I've not read much into it yet so im making some assumptions here.
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Alder Lake-S leaks
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If, and thats a big 'if', i get the itch (here we go again 
) what could i get on MM for Z490 Meg Unify/10850K/32GB Ram? Also, can someone talk me down please as it looks a proper pricey upgrade, ta 
) what could i get on MM for Z490 Meg Unify/10850K/32GB Ram? Also, can someone talk me down please as it looks a proper pricey upgrade, ta If, and thats a big 'if', i get the itch (here we go again
Pulling numbers out of thin air here but say £600-£650 top end? Depends on speed of the ram, latencies etc.
I wouldn't though if i was in your shoes. I would personally wait for DDR5 to mature and come down in price before taking the leap. If it's gonna be anything like DDR4 was, its gonna be stupendously expensive for DDR5.
Maybe look at upgrading to the back end of 2022 instead and see what the next iteration of cpu's bring from both sides.
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Thanks. Yes 2022 does make more sense, particularly if a pcie 4.0 4080 adds to the bill
The way things are going it seems to me that they are heading for 4 figures
To me PCIE 5.0 seems more like a marketing gimmick to sell Alder Lake. Can not think of a device that needs it at the moment.PCIE 5.0 by then
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Probably due to Intel being so far behind on PCI-E 4 they've gone all out to be first this time round.
Who gives you 2-3% more performance "for free"?
We can't be sitting on PCIe 3.0 forever.
AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT PCI-Express Scaling - Relative Performance | TechPowerUp
Who gives you 2-3% more performance "for free"?
We can't be sitting on PCIe 3.0 forever.
AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT PCI-Express Scaling - Relative Performance | TechPowerUp
Taking a card limited to half bus speed might not be the best example...
It shows scaling based on doubling the transfer rate.
There is nothing better or newer (new) that I can find right now.
Not a bad thing though as you can run the GPU at x8 and stick an adaptor in the lower slot with couple more nvme drives.
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To me PCI-E 4.0 is a good thing since it allows for more bandwidth to chipset an allows for faster nvme drives. It is of course good to have PCI-E 5.0 but it is strange to me since we haven't reached the limits of PCI-E 4.0 yet.
If I remember it correctly Intel had PCI-E 3.0 x8 lanes from processor to the chipset in Z590 instead of PCI-E 4.0 x 4 lanes. Hopefully with PCI-E 5.0 they will give more bandwidth to the chipset.
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People always talk graphics when mentioning PCIE3/4 and 5 but for me it has to be NVME speeds that really sell itWho gives you 2-3% more performance "for free"?
We can't be sitting on PCIe 3.0 forever.
AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT PCI-Express Scaling - Relative Performance | TechPowerUp
The DDR5 is going to cost nearly the same as a new alder lake cpu
So I fully expect to have to pay about $500usd for good DDR5 ram
That is probably because before NVME came into place the graphic cards were the most popular devices to use that much bandwidth. But with newest peripheries that seems to change and we need more bandwidth to the chipset as well.
I too struggle to think why we even need pcie 5. Our SSD's are only currently running at 4x4, so pcie4 still has room to support SSD's that are 4 times faster if the chipset and mobo provides it. As for GPUs, we're only just seeing GPUs use slightly more than 4x8 so we still have nearly double bandwidth available for faster GPUs
So do we need pcie5? Not really
Then why does it exist?
the only thing I can think of is that maybe it's more efficient and I hope it actually is. Chipsets now draw more power and run hotter due to pcie4
Are the high leaked prices a sign of Intel's confidence (but then arguably Intel have had plenty of confidence in the last few years even when they shouldn't have had)?
Or like with i9-11900K after they just trying it on? After all, AMD's FX 9350 was very expensive without any justification.
As for the performances of DDR4 and DDR5, will Intel's reviewer guide concentrate on DDR5 just to top benchmark charts and will reviewers follows that script?
Or like with i9-11900K after they just trying it on? After all, AMD's FX 9350 was very expensive without any justification.
As for the performances of DDR4 and DDR5, will Intel's reviewer guide concentrate on DDR5 just to top benchmark charts and will reviewers follows that script?
I can see some uses for PCI-E 5 and DDR5, just non are that useful for a desktop. Maybe you make a cut down CPU and motherboard with a minimal amount of lanes. 4 lanes split between PCI-E slots and a pair for peripherals maybe.
Or 4x4 lanes for some Quad SLI DX9 goodness.
Or 4x4 lanes for some Quad SLI DX9 goodness.
Well they have seen that market buys increased price 11th series. Why not up the prices then?
They are just following AMD on pricing for the 12 and 16 core chips while the 10 core 12600k looks pretty good for £300 considering people were happy to pay that for the 6 core 5600X.
I'm sure some reviewers will test DDR4 performance also but this will likely come on the more budget orientated locked boards so will be more appropriate for the non K Sku's.
An add on card for a couple more nvme's would be quite useful while also maintaining full bandwidth for the GPU.
You get that with half decent X570 boards.
Only if your happy to drop the GPU down to 16gb/s so you won't keep the full PCIe 4.0 speed.