Alder Lake-S leaks

mrk · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:24

Actually do we know if the 1200 holes on the Asus boards are recessed by 1mm at all? Or maybe the mobo box includes the stand offs to convert? This would be important info to know!

hlennie · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:30

No recess from what I can tell as it’s more like a slotted hole

Jay-G25 · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:32

Perfect_Chaos said:
Is there any chart that confirms that?

Would be pretty ass to buy during Raptor Lake's release and then find out you can't even upgrade to Meteor Lake.

No official chart as such but I am certain that Raprtor lake will be LGA 1700 considering the last lot have had a socket change every 2 years , what is not set in concrete is weather meteor lake will still use lga 1700 but as I put above I have read a few things couple months ago on videocardz website stating intel wanted to move away from the 2 year cycle and be at least 3 kinda like what amd have done in the past... time will tell but its safe to sat raptor lake is lga1700

mrk · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:32

So standoffs/mounting kit would need to be included in the box if that's the case I guess. I've asked Asus via tweet to confirm as it logically makes sense for something to be in the box since they have both sets of holes. Otherwise why include 1200 mounting on a board range that won't take a 1200 CPU.

Jay-G25 · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:36

Joxeon said:
Will that only be for the DDR5 boards though? as I can't imagine Intel going with the dual memory controller for 3 generations?

If they do stick with lga 1700 for 3 generations then I imagine it will be with some caveat in that states yeah it will fit the lga 1700 socket but is incompatible with ddr4 and can only be used with ddr5 boards.

Grim5 · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:40

Jay-G25 said:
If they do stick with lga 1700 for 3 generations then I imagine it will be with some caveat in that states yeah it will fit the lga 1700 socket but is incompatible with ddr4 and can only be used with ddr5 boards.

thats why I don't like this idea of inter operability- maybe it works for some but you can't future proof a motherboard for tech that doesn't exist - rule of thumb is to use the board that was designed for your cpu

Guinny · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:44

SeeNoWeevil said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aset...-intel-lga-1700-35-150-0000021-hs-056-as.html

Yes have already been advised by OC to purchase this kit so will go with an NZXT -at least its an option!

Freddie1980 · 29 Oct 2021 at 11:46

shaunwil said:
Are all these cpu's water cooled exclusively ? Just seems like another expensive requirement.

I'd really like to upgrade my i7 4790 to either a 12700 or 12900 but this is getting silly.

The i9 12900k is 241 watts which is out of spec for a lot of dual rad AIO's so yes your looking at high end triple rad AIO's or custom water for the 12900K bad boy but the 12700 at 190 watts should be ok for most dual radiator AIO's.

Adrian1976 · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:02

Shaz12 said:
I think the Noctua NH-D15 would still suffice for the 12900k, on a compatible board. Its too bad it doesn't work with Asus ROG Strix boards so if you are on one of those, yes only water cooling can be used

How does it not work with the Asus ROG boards? I thought there was even more compatibility with Asus boards.

TrixP10 · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:14

Freddie1980 said:
The i9 12900k is 241 watts which is out of spec for a lot of dual rad AIO's so yes your looking at high end triple rad AIO's or custom water for the 12900K bad boy but the 12700 at 190 watts should be ok for most dual radiator AIO's.

240w for a desktop CPU is obscence. IMHO more states / countries should adopt the rules introduced in California.

Shaz12 · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:14

Freddie1980 said:
The i9 12900k is 241 watts which is out of spec for a lot of dual rad AIO's so yes your looking at high end triple rad AIO's or custom water for the 12900K bad boy but the 12700 at 190 watts should be ok for most dual radiator AIO's.

Depends on the use-case. For gaming it will never reach 241w, so a good 240MM rad should work.

Adrian1976 said:
How does it not work with the Asus ROG boards? I thought there was even more compatibility with Asus boards.

See their motherboard compatibility chart. None of the ROG Strix DDR4 boards are compatible with NH-D15 due to the height of the VRM heatsink.

https://ncc.noctua.at/motherboards/model/ASUS-ROG-Strix-Z690-A-Gaming-WiFi-D4-5375
https://ncc.noctua.at/motherboards/model/ASUS-ROG-Strix-Z690-I-Gaming-WiFi-D4-5377

mickyflinn · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:17

pcfarrar said:
No stock cooler included with k series.

Tx im guessing there will be for the likes of the 12400 , 12600 even though a lot will go for an aftermarket cooler.

Shaz12 · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:19

TrixP10 said:
240w for a desktop CPU is obscence. IMHO more states / countries should adopt the rules introduced in California.

This is nothing. NVIDIA is launching a 450W RTX 3090 Ti in early 2022. Imagine this being used with the 12900k. I imagine the whole room will become an oven.

mrk · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:21

Thought the whole point of modern tech was to run cooler, not hotter :/

Hell even Intel themselves in their presentation said Alder Lake runs cooler than last gen!

We will just have to wait for actual reviews to get an understanding of thermals regardless of what the TDP max values are on paper as I think there is much more to it than just a spec figure.

TrixP10 · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:22

Shaz12 said:
This is nothing. NVIDIA is launching a 450W RTX 3090 Ti in early 2022. Imagine this being used with the 12900k. I imagine the whole room will become an oven.

Exactly - total system power needs to be cut and IMHO will be.

TheWarTron · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:24

is there a 240mm rad what works with the PREMIUM RETENTION KIT INTEL LGA 1700 (35-150-0000021)?

Shaz12 · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:26

TrixP10 said:
Exactly - total system power needs to be cut and IMHO will be.

It will be interesting to see how the 5950x compares with the 12900k in gaming as it seems Intel have pushed it to the absolute limit to eke out that ~15% win over it, with that Win 11 L3 cache issue no less. If the 5950X is like 95% of the way there while running at 140W, that makes it a better buy IMO. I am not getting a 360MM rad just to game on a 12900k.

mrk · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:30

If it's purely for gaming then why even bother with the 12900K though when arguably the 12700 has the same P cores which games care about more? Slight drop in L3 cache and frequency aside, can't see there being a £££ gain in performance between the two at high res gaming?

Adrian1976 · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:31

Shaz12 said:
Depends on the use-case. For gaming it will never reach 241w, so a good 240MM rad should work.

See their motherboard compatibility chart. None of the ROG Strix DDR4 boards are compatible with NH-D15 due to the height of the VRM heatsink.

https://ncc.noctua.at/motherboards/model/ASUS-ROG-Strix-Z690-A-Gaming-WiFi-D4-5375
https://ncc.noctua.at/motherboards/model/ASUS-ROG-Strix-Z690-I-Gaming-WiFi-D4-5377

Damn cheers for that I've just cancelled the Noctua kit, What the hell Asus!? A mainstream cooler not compatible with their layout is such an oversight.

TrixP10 · 29 Oct 2021 at 12:36

Shaz12 said:
It will be interesting to see how the 5950x compares with the 12900k in gaming as it seems Intel have pushed it to the absolute limit to eke out that ~15% win over it, with that Win 11 L3 cache issue no less. If the 5950X is like 95% of the way there while running at 140W, that makes it a better buy IMO. I am not getting a 360MM rad just to game on a 12900k.

IMHO, in this day and age there is no excuse to waste power to that degree. Intel says it expects to ship 2m this Qrt. 240w+ water cooler for exactly what. SFA.