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bibalasvegas said:
I would properly get involved in this thread but people like vegetarian, keltic thc etc seem so close-minded there's no point trying to convince them. How can you be so certain with only (at best) circumstantial evidence?
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But the evidence is all around you, you just choose to ignore it...



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bibalasvegas said:
If I truly believed there was some global conspiracy I wouldn't be arguing on a forum about it, I'd become an investigative journalist or politician to try and see for myself first-hand what was going on.
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you wouldn't. just stop it.


nice dream, but what you just said, rubbish. you know it.
 
Dogoid said:
camps of thought as you pout it is rarely based on logic , more based on patch of least resistance, i,e what belief is already held.


too much work to actually change a paradigm or belief set.


mist people don't care what's true or false, all they care is what's easiest.

that's because most people hold complex lives, kids, school, taxes, work, debt, etc etc.


its certainly not an age of the philosopher or truth seeker.
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Gross generalisation, re the "most people don't care ..."
Group theory would tend to disagree with you (as would this thread's very existence) but hey ho :)

Wrong era to be a Philisopher, agreed :)
 
I am not closed minded - yes I do agree that there are a lot of stuff going about the internet that is utter rubbish. Im not into aliens and what not.

But there are things in the world that aint right... we all know govenments lie - they do it on a daily basis and each party's attack each other because of lie telling etc. Like wise world govenment have no need to tell us about everything - doing so might cause mass panic etc. Somethings the public might not agree with and stand up against the govenments. Govenments are all about govening the public and they do it as they please. Are you telling me that you know all the secrets of MI6 for instance? We have to accept that there are many things going on in the world that we have no clue about... some very dark and evil things too... why I say evil? Where theres power, money, secrects... these people are open to all sorts of corruption.

As for New World Order... its already here, most people dont know about it... anyway all this stuff you hear today about global conspiracy was talked about 2000 years ago and is all prophesised in the Bible. The bible basicly says the end days will come once the Jews get isreal back which happened in 1948. After this there will be a one world gvenment that will be full of lies and corruption.
 
Vegetarian said:
I am not closed minded - yes I do agree that there are a lot of stuff going about the internet that is utter rubbish. Im not into aliens and what not.

But there are things in the world that aint right... we all know govenments lie - they do it on a daily basis and each party's attack each other because of lie telling etc. Like wise world govenment have no need to tell us about everything - doing so might cause mass panic etc. Somethings the public might not agree with and stand up against the govenments. Govenments are all about govening the public and they do it as they please. Are you telling me that you know all the secrets of MI6 for instance? We have to accept that there are many things going on in the world that we have no clue about... some very dark and evil things too... why I say evil? Where theres power, money, secrects... these people are open to all sorts of corruption.

As for New World Order... its already here, most people dont know about it... anyway all this stuff you hear today about global conspiracy was talked about 2000 years ago and is all prophesised in the Bible. The bible basicly says the end days will come once the Jews get isreal back which happened in 1948. After this there will be a one world gvenment that will be full of lies and corruption.
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You really don't help yourself, do you? :(
 
Dogoid said:
you wouldn't. just stop it.


nice dream, but what you just said, rubbish. you know it.
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If I honestly thought that it was true I definitely would. Not rubbish at all. I find it strange that people wouldn't try to get hard evidence for it.

Vegetarian said:
niether!
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Finally I agree with you! Dogoid, the answer is that you should be deeply sceptical about things until you have researched them more thoroughly and then have a shallow scepticism of them!
 
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Always you have to check up on things.... even looking back in History.

Eg

Im a Scot and Ive laughed at a lot of the scotish media. The scots want inderpendance etc and many programmes have given a lot of air time of possible ways this can be achived.

It is impossible as scotland SOLD itself to England - England owns scotland and its contract is set in stone.

Yet why do the scotish people on mass dont know this and why do the media persist in keep given the scottish people hope?

Hope can be just much a lie as terror.
 
i think you should be open to all possibilities until something irrefutable comes along to tell you otherwise.


in other words .


be open minded.

but not so open that your brain falls out
 
Vegetarian said:
As for New World Order... its already here, most people dont know about it... anyway all this stuff you hear today about global conspiracy was talked about 2000 years ago and is all prophesised in the Bible. The bible basicly says the end days will come once the Jews get isreal back which happened in 1948. After this there will be a one world gvenment that will be full of lies and corruption.
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LOL.

I love this.


Fair enough if you believe in god, and whatnot.

But here someone is, who is apparently objective, and telling us we're all brainwashed because we don't believe in the NWO, lizardmen and whatnot, telling us that all this stuff was prophesised in the bible. Well, if i'd known that from the start, I could have just jumped on all this and we'd all be on the same hymn sheet but you know, the government was blocking my mind with wi-fi, or soemthing.
 
Vegetarian said:
Evangelion the internet is localised now - there are many sites you cant get from country to country. Any even if you do they wont alowe you full access eg bbc iplayer in USA.
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Yes I know, but it's obvious that we can get access to different countries' everyday news media, so the argument is defunct by default.

Haaretz, the New York Times, Pakistani media, Malaysian media, Pravda... I can browse all this stuff and more.

We have only the sites that the UK want us to see.
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No, that's not true.

It's not about the UK banning us from accessing certain material; it's about other countries preventing access to certain material (usually copyrighted stuff). Sure, you can't get access to certain BBC media from other countries. That's because the BBC blocks you. It's not because your own country won't let you. It's about media licensing legislation.

To try to use this as proof that there's some sort of devilish global media blackout, is just plain silly. You can't extrapolate (z) from (a).

Had this convo recently with some ozzies - they said they could not access Oz stuff on the internet they could get at home in the UK.
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I know. I'm an Aussie. You can't access iPlayer from Australia, for example.

Even googling showed 0 results.
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Now that sounds like ******** to me. Not being available on a localised website is one thing; not being able to find it with Google is quite another. At the most, you'd find that it turns up as a link in Google, but when you click on the link you'll be taken to a company page which says that the material isn't available in your country.

So to someone like you Evangelion if it does not exsist in wiki or google it then does not exsist?
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No, that's not what I'm saying.
 
Evangelion said:
I know. I'm an Aussie. You can't access iPlayer from Australia, for example.
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Ha censorship, he was right and im finally convinced! Or am I? I think not, theres a very good reason you will struggle to get Iplayer outside the UK and its nothing to do with brainwashing or the NWO.
 
dmpoole said:
Please tell me you're not serious.
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I am!

Please dont tell me you know so little?

Both dimpoole and Evangelion argue for the sake of it ... if I was to say 2 + 2 = 4 they would dispute that too. (bet they going to try and tell me "of couse its 4" etc etc - they are too uneducated to understand what Im actually going on about.)
 
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Vegetarian said:
I am!

Please dont tell me you know so little?

Both dimpoole and Evangelion argue for the sake of it ... if I was to say 2 + 2 = 4 they would dispute that too. (bet they going to try and tell me "of couse its 4" etc etc - they are too uneducated to understand what Im actually going on about.)
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Do you know anything about anything or are you arguing for the sake of it. Evangelion has explained already about other countries blocking access to sites and there is a message on that site explaining it cannot be accessed.
There are copyright restrictions on sites such as IPlayer and youtube.
Global conspiracy, get real for Gods sake.
 
Vegetarian said:
I am!

Please dont tell me you know so little?
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I've been into satellite TV for well over 20 years and still fit motorised dishes now & then.
Yes I do know about different laws in different countries regarding what you can and cannot see.
I don't however think it's a conspiracy that we can't or think it's Big Brother.
I also know that I shouldn't be watching the Premier football this afternoon from Scandinavia but it is not a conspiracy that I can't.

Vegetarian said:
they are too uneducated to understand what Im actually going on about.)
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Go on then - explain in big words what me and Evangelion don't understand about I-Player being broadcast in other countries.
 
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