Alienware announces the AW2725DF and AW3225QF (worlds first 4k 240hz and worlds first 1440p 360hz QD-OLED monitors - launches January 2024)

y2ck01 said:
I've had the AW2725DF in my basket for the past week and I think I'm about to pull the trigger. How are you guys finding it? Will I notice a massive step up from my 2716DG TN panel?
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It's a huge step up from that monitor in terms of colour accuracy, viewing angles, refresh rate etc. but I've always thought that the 2716DG and the 2417DG from Dell were insanely good monitors.

I used the 24" 1440p monitor for so long until it eventually died on me and I still miss 1440p at that size.

You're already on 1440p so you won't notice a res change - but 360hz is smooth as butter and the colour, the actual blacks and clarity of motion is all going to be an insane improvement.
 
y2ck01 said:
I've had the AW2725DF in my basket for the past week and I think I'm about to pull the trigger. How are you guys finding it? Will I notice a massive step up from my 2716DG TN panel?
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A TN panel? Dear lord, yes!!!

I upgraded from a 7 year old 27" 165 Hz 1440p ASUS PG279Q IPS monitor and while it was great for its time, the AW2725DF just showed how weak the contrast and blacks were, especially at night where the IPS glow would ruin dark games. Seeing those inky perfect blacks when a game loads up a black background with white text just brings tears of joy to my face every time and that's just SDR. Enable HDR, specifically the HDR Peak 1000 mode, and load up a game like DiRT 5 and I think I've died and gone to gaming heaven! It is just so, so good. It is impossible to describe just how magnificent it is. You have to see it for yourself. OLED is great but QD-OLED is better due to better colour saturation. Reds and Blues and Yellows have never looked so good.

The only real negative with the AW2725DF versus my old PG279Q is the VRR flickering with G-SYNC enabled. This was never an issue with my previous monitor but, unfortunately, it is a problem with this monitor about 10% of the time. Mostly it's dark loading screens and sometimes in dark games where the framerate is highly variable but I also notice it on bright and dark desktop wallpaper too, which can be varying amounts of annoying. Of course, you can enable and disable G-SYNC between games but on my previous monitor I just enabled G-SYNC when I got it and it worked flawlessly, without any flickering or any issues at all, for the 7 years I used it.
 
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HDR is a mess on consoles where there still isn't any kind of standard for it, despite both the PS5 and Xbox Series X, having a built-in HDR calibration tool in the console settings, which it seems most games seem to just ignore!

On PC, HDR is even worse where it doesn't even enable and disable automatically, meaning that you have to remember to enable it before launching a game because if you do so in-game then it will either crash the game (definitely in the case of any using Unreal Engine) or mess up the colours and not be detected properly. It must be even worse for monitors with Dolby Vision where you are expected to know which content actually supports it before enabling and watching/launching it.

The only place where HDR actually works properly is on 4K UHD discs on my Panasonic UB820 player and my LG B9 TV, where it automatically enables HDR10 or Dolby Vision depending on the content being played. All I had to do was select the preferred HDR mode and every else works seamlessly.

Why this cannot be done for consoles and Windows is a mystery to me. It's not like HDR is a new thing, it has been around for years now. I bought my first HDR monitor thinking that the technology would have matured enough by now, only to be disappointed that it is actually worse on PC than my PS5 and Xbox Series X...
 
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Slightly off topic but I've not seen any VRR flicker until tonight, booted up Jedi Survivor for first time, and jesus the VRR flicker is insane in this game, combined with absolutely terrible performance even with frame gen on (still CPU bottlenecked judging by %) I just dunno WTF they was thinking with this game
 
will13 said:
Slightly off topic but I've not seen any VRR flicker until tonight, booted up Jedi Survivor for first time, and jesus the VRR flicker is insane in this game, combined with absolutely terrible performance even with frame gen on (still CPU bottlenecked judging by %) I just dunno WTF they was thinking with this game
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I noticed it slightly in R6 siege as well, with HDR on and off. Seems to vary game to game. Yet the same game on my PS5 to the monitor has zero in HDR, I think it's a PC issue not monitor with some games. It's so random.
 
Spikey said:
I noticed it slightly in R6 siege as well, with HDR on and off. Seems to vary game to game. Yet the same game on my PS5 to the monitor has zero in HDR, I think it's a PC issue not monitor with some games. It's so random.
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It's oled specific. How much you see it also depends on your setup and how well it keeps steady frame pacing. This is why it manifests in some games and not others + why some people have it in a game and others say it doesn't flicker for them, this is likely due to the 2nd persons machine keeping a more steady frame time.

Basically, the further from native hz the game is running, the more the near black gamma shifts. When you have frame times bouncing up and down, you see the gamma shift in real time which will look like a flicker
 
The flicker is terrible in tarkov so I just turned off gsync, I can't tell the difference with it on or off (apart from the flicker...)
 
Vector Sigma said:
Is the fix now permanent? Are all the DV issues with the monitor fixed? I'm still reading posts on reddit, where are people are saying the issue is only partially fixed.
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On PC it's not fixed it's a windows problem apparently so who knows when they will fix that but then what PC games use DV anyway ? for console / 4k movies i believe it works as intended.
 
Dell has announced its updated the packaging for its OLED monitors but it will take time to flow through to the for sale stock. Instead of just the bubble wrap that scratches the panel, the monitors now have a protective film over it to stop the scratches
 
Grim5 said:
Dell has announced its updated the packaging for its OLED monitors but it will take time to flow through to the for sale stock. Instead of just the bubble wrap that scratches the panel, the monitors now have a protective film over it to stop the scratches
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Are you getting one of these monitors grim?
 
Grim5 said:
Dell has announced its updated the packaging for its OLED monitors but it will take time to flow through to the for sale stock. Instead of just the bubble wrap that scratches the panel, the monitors now have a protective film over it to stop the scratches
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This should be a std thing especially on a monitor like this but better late than never i suppose, luckily no scratches on mine just a few marks from the bubble wrap which wiped off with the provided cloth.
 
peahead said:
This should be a std thing especially on a monitor like this but better late than never i suppose, luckily no scratches on mine just a few marks from the bubble wrap which wiped off with the provided cloth.
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I got unlucky and both dell OLEDs I've had so far had them in the corners. I've tried to get a photo of it while the monitor is off but it was hard to capture, had to shine a bright torch onto the screen and get a semi macro shot


Unfortunately the photo makes it look quite bad but that's just because 90% of the spots in the photo is dust particles that are otherwise not really visible; I've circled in red the area with the scratches/marks and unfortunately I've tried three times to remove them and it won't budge :(

 
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Grim5 said:
I got unlucky and both dell OLEDs I've had so far had them in the corners. I've tried to get a photo of it while the monitor is off but it was hard to capture, had to shine a bright torch onto the screen and get a semi macro shot


Unfortunately the photo makes it look quite bad but that's just because 90% of the spots in the photo is dust particles that are otherwise not really visible; I've circled in red the area with the scratches/marks and unfortunately I've tried three times to remove them and it won't budge :(

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The plastic layer on these screens marks so easily i accidently marked my DWF a few months back it looked bad when the monitor was switched off but luckily when it was switched on it was hardly noticeable.
 
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Everytime I turn on the monitor or it if it wakes up from sleep, the brigthness is initially dim. But if I update the brightness by +/- 1, it'll go back to "normal" and expected brightness. Anyone else experiencing this in SDR? I'm on the latest driver
 
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AA25 said:
Everytime I turn on the monitor or it if it wakes up from sleep, the brigthness is initially dim. But if I update the brightness by +/- 1, it'll go back to "normal" and expected brightness. Anyone else experiencing this in SDR? I'm on the latest driver
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When it wakes up from sleep I think the colour space is in DCI-P3 mode for a few seconds before switching back to sRGB.
Check if your DCI-P3 mode is dark. DCI-P3 mode was at 10% brightness out of the box for me
 
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