Am I being unfair? (work related)

They've put you on a 6 hour contract because it benefits them not to be obliged to give you hours when they don't need you.

They're now throwing a tantrum because you're taking advantage of this fact by arranging other commitments (potentially forced by the very fact they can't provide a stable level of income?)

So it's ok for them to say "no we don't want you in any more hours" but it's not ok for you to say "no I don't want to do any more hours"?

Who's really being unreasonable here? ;)
 
Ahleckz said:
Your contract likely states that you are basically at the mercy of your employers then. If your manager isn't playing ball, then there isn't much that you can really do.
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Hmm, new job it is then perhaps. :( Shame, people there are awesome...
 
In that case, go talk to him and see if you can arrange doing it all on Sunday, or maybe ask if you can swap shifts with someone else to achieve the same.
 
Fluttershy said:
What would your boss say if you phoned him up and said you weren't available to work 3-9am on Sunday morning if you are contracted to work 9-5 Mon-Fri?
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I didn't realise the OP had contracted start and end times?

Having a 6 hour contract doesn't mean it's the employee who has complete control over what hours he wants to work. When I worked in retail I'd have been amazed if it was acceptable to turn around and give only a very narrow selection of hours I wanted to work because I'd found another job to do instead!
 
[FnG]magnolia;23044711 said:
But but but ... his RIGHTS! :eek:
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:p
It is amazing how often people seem to think that they have more employment rights than they do.
Unfortunately, without seeing his contract, I would suggest his only rights are that he can refuse to work Sunday at all......not a useful idea.

Edit: actually let me balance out that first sentence by saying that it is amazing how often an employer thinks that they can do almost what they like if they can show that it suits the needs of the business.
 
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If he does that, he'll be moved or let go.

e : no one so far has mentioned the almost embarrassing self-entitlement evidenced in the OP and subsequent posts. It's either alarming or hilarious. I'm going with hilariously alarming :)
 
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[FnG]magnolia;23044735 said:
If he does that, he'll be moved or let go.
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If he does that and either of the above happens then he will have grounds to take action against his employer. It is a moot point because, as I said, it would not suit the needs of the OP.
 
I meant 'moving' in a Departmental sense rather than a locational sense but either way you're correct.

I'm still not sure why the OP doesn't just do his photo stuff which seems to make more money and doesn't constrict his availability.

e : ah, just seen the edit on post #49 and I completely agree.
 
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lolage said:
My availabilty for Saturday used to be 6:00am > 8:30pm I simply changed it to 10:00am > 8:45pm and this is what he flipped about...
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So your shortening the time frame you can work in what most businesses see as a busy period. As above who in their right mind would come to work for those 2 hours on a saturday morning? Thats probably part of the problem.

Also you chopped 4 hours off the start of your window he may have been slightly more receptive had you added those 4 to the end so from a business POV you are still giving the same timeframe on that day.

Did you even think that it may look like you're asking for time to be amended just so you can go out on the lash on a fri/sat? nightclub photography? Does this link in with your studies? If it a proper above board job payed and taxed properly or a back hander and a free drinks?

As for the 6 hour contract coop did the same to my mate, then rostered him in regularly for 30+ hours a week. Think it's something to do with additional pay and holiday.
 
I can see why your boss is annoyed, you have taken on a second job knowing your prior commitments to university and your first job and then decide the arrangements are now causing you a problem so want to change your hours in your first job.
I would imagine like most part time retail jobs that your contracts states you are required to work shifts in accordance with the companies needs etc and as such if you are no longer able to work the shifts they require its cya later time. According to the bbc in certain parts of the country there are around 50 applicants applying for a single retail position so you may find it harder than you think to find a new job especially after leaving one recently and specifying hours you don't want to work (early mornings at the weekends) which is generally the times weekend staff are expected to work.
 
As an employee you have more rights than most employers realise.

If your contract clearly states you have 6 hours/week and you employer fails to provide suitable times then they are in breach of contract.

If they offer you the above times you cannot work them, then you are at a loss, and it may be grounds for dismissal or disciplinary action.

Being a supermarket they should have a fairly robust rota system so that enough people are available to cover the needs of the supermarket. I don't see how your 6 hours can make that much of a difference that they refuse the changes.

The store I do delivery work for has over 450 staff so no doubt can be pretty flexible if needed.
 
MadMossy said:
If your contract clearly states you have 6 hours/week and you employer fails to provide suitable times then they are in breach of contract.
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His employer has only 'failed to provide suitable times' because he's decided to work another, seperate job which has made him unavailable at the times he usually worked.

Having a 6 hour contract doesn't mean you get to cherry pick only the very best shifts that totally fit your decision to work for somebody else.
 
MadMossy said:
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If your contract clearly states you have 6 hours/week and you employer fails to provide suitable times then they are in breach of contract.
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Very much doubt the company being "in breach of contract" due to OP taking up a second job, especially if he's worked these times/days before adn only since teh 2nd job came along have issues arose.

He will be on a 6hour contract for what "suits the business needs" or similar
 
You have a 6 hour contract which does not specify any specific days or times?
If this is the case then it's going to be harder for you, However does your contract state that you have to work those 6 hours in that specific department. If it doesn't say you must work in x department then try speak to another department manager and ask to work on that department.

A lot of supermarkets will have you down as a general working which isn't department specific.

If it does say a specific department then don't speak to your manager, you need to go see the manager in charge of contracts. Tell them your situation and ask for a revised contract.
 
Op, does your contract specify times? I also study and work at a supermarket (ASDA doing deliveries).

If your contract says your times are x to Y, then that is all they can ask of you. Anything you do over that is a favour, and they cannot force you to do anything outside that contract, as that would require a new one.

However, if your contract says x number of hours, to suit the needs of the business, they can pick what hours they like. Sounds like you have a crap manager, mine bends over backwards for me as I do so many favours for them.
 
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