Am I missing something here?

i-bert said:
No you're not.

My Dad could go and buy a Console and Reach today and it would cost him less than £200.

He already has a TV.

:confused:
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Who said anything about your dad?

I'm talking about my situation. I did not own a TV before purchasing a 360. Once you add everything up you're talking £600-£700, not £200. That's from a position of having nothing to game with and comparing it with buying a £1,000 PC (including monitor)
 
i-bert said:
If you spent £700 on a 360 a cheap branded 32" LCD then you were ripped.

:p
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Really? You can't work it out?

Xbox - £200
TV - £250
Couple of games - £80
Live sub (1 year) - £40

Total = £570

That's as you say a "cheap branded" TV (which there were over 130 5 star ratings for).

It would have been very easy for me to spend an extra 50 or 100 quid on the same size screen, hence my £600-£700 figure
 
iv-tecman said:
Being a PC gamer myself - I fully understand why he states the xbox360 isn't all that.. Sadly, its true, but the console isn't rubbish. Just lower the expectation and sit further away and enjoy your new console....
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Yeah that all makes sense. I was actually getting used to play RDR on my 23" before I got the new screen. It wasn't great, but playable. Now it's just ridiculous.

I'm sure like you say if I position myself 10FT away it will be reasonable again. Rather sad tho huh, you need to sit so far away just to get acceptable graphics
 
EezerGoode said:
Do yourself a favor and send that rubbish TV back and spend the money on a decent camera.
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:rolleyes:

And what 32" TV would you suggest without blowing £500?

This model had a TON of excellent reviews, and I've just watched 5 minutes of a movie on it now and it looks awesome.

So yeah, do you have some basis/experience to what you said? Or is it just because it doesn't have a Samsung logo on it?
 
i-bert said:
I like how you added two games (at full RRP) and a live sub. Also, where did you buy your 360 for £200? You just love getting ripped off.
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It's called an Xbox 360 and at every single retailer in the country it's £189 or £199.

That's the 250GB Slim (which you need as having 4GB as your hard drive is useless).

I'm pretty sure they stopped selling the old elite models at retail stores now.

And why wouldn't I add 2 games at 40 quid each? That's what they were! Oh sorry are we counting pennies now? £39.98. That better?

Stop picking at straws man. My prices are perfectly on par
 
sunama said:
AdladUK. I understand that. You understand that. But unfortunately, there are people who are not "techies" and believe that if a TV does not carry a big brand name tag, that it absolutely must be "crap".
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Thanks man, appreciate your post. Least a few people in here are reasonable
 
i-bert said:
So my PC cost me £2000 because I bought 20 games with it?

You're talking crazy now.
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Huh?

I'm not the one talking crazy :rolleyes:

I bought 2 games with my Xbox, is that so out of line with what a normal consumer would do?

And FYI most mid/high-end PC graphics cards come with 1 or 2 of the latest games for free. Really don't get the point you're trying to make...
 
i-bert said:
Someone stated that £1000 PC is better than a £200 console.

You then said that £200 is wrong, and that it cost £600-£700.

I then proved that it costs much less and thats including a TV.

What you payed has nothing to do with the original argument.
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You didn't really prove anything as your prices were based on an old Xbox model that someone may or may not be able to buy. My prices were more realistic of what you would end up paying today if you wanted to "experience" the 360 from scratch. Hell, I just did it, I should know.

And yeah I agree the price thing has nothing to do with the original argument
 
Seriously what's wrong with the prices I gave? I'll re-do them with just Reach:

Xbox - £200 (this is the standard retail price for the new Xbox model, check OCUK)
TV - £250 (this is what people refer to as a "cheap crap model" so I'm being fair if anything)
Reach - £40 (just Halo, retail price give or take a quid)
Live sub (1 year) - £40 (what use is it not being able to play online with your friends, so you need this. Plus purchasing on a yearly rate is far cheaper than month to month)
HDMI cable - £10

That's £540 with a "crap" TV. My £600-£700 is perfectly feasible if you were to get a higher priced brand name screen
 
Clarkson said:
I think taking TV's/monitors/peripherals into account here is stupid.

For a mere comparison, we should be saying £200 for the console as it is, against £xxxx for PC hardware on a new build.
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It's not stupid at all. I'm comparing like for like and what my situation was.

I did not own a TV before getting the Xbox, I did everything on my monitor (which is a stunning display).

The point was, say you had nothing, you'd just moved to a new house or something and you wanted to either experience gaming on a 360, or gaming on a PC. What are you gonna do? Look at a 360 case and imagine the game? You need a TV. Just like when building a machine you need a monitor.

And the new arguement is that to experience 360 gaming (from scratch) it's gonna be around 600 quid. To experience mid-range to high PC gaming it's gonna be around 1,000, but the difference is quality is just ridiculous
 
Clarkson said:
Agree with i-bert, the point is being missed.

You are slating the 360 and its technological capablities basically. The 360 in itself costs £200, as opposed to £xxx/xxxx for all the hardware needed to make a computer work.

It is irrelevant what you have to pay for eveything including games and extra bits and bobs. The 360 and its technology comes in at £200, and thus that is the price that should be considered.
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The base core machine comes in at £200. Which is ****ING useless without the other stuff.

What's so hard to understand about that?

You need the game. You need the Live sub (to play multiplayer). You need the freakin' TV. Without those things the console does nothing.
 
i-bert said:
You don't NEED the £200 machine to play the game, THATS WHAT YOU BOUGHT.

You don't need to buy another game and a Live sub to play Halo Reach, THATS WHAT YOU BOUGHT.
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Oh jeez. One last time then I'm done with this. Driving me nuts.

My whole point is what the average consumer would pay today to experience 360 gaming. I am that average consumer. I walk into a retail store and to buy a new 360 it will cost me £200, unless I get the ****ty 4GB model which no one wants.

I knocked off the 2nd game and it still came to £540.

And yes, you do need a Live sub to play Reach multiplayer, which is what the majority of people (including myself) get it for in the first place
 
i-bert said:
Lets get back to the original question which was

"Am I missing something here?"

Yes....a decent TV.:D
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And then I will again ask what basis do you have for saying this TV is ****?

I did my research and everyone who wrote a review praised it. I just played a movie and it looked awesome.

So what's wrong with it? Is it because it doesn't have a Samsung logo on it? I'd bet it's probably a Samsung LCD anyway, just branded different
 
james.miller said:
i think you really are 5 years too late to be making this comparison. the 360 still likes great on a big screen, btw, infact i reckon it looks better on a 50" 1080p screen than it does on something like a 24" monitor. The reason and cause for which are somewhat irrelevant, but that's my experience.
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If you're sat 50FT away that may indeed be the case
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
Also, why get a TV and not an adaptor cable to plug an xbox into a PC monitor and some speakers?
This is what a friend of mine did, he enjoys his 360 and doesn't even own a TV.
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I was playing it on my other 23" monitor that has HDMI input. Then I got the 32" delivered and all hell broke loose
 
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