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hey guys,

Long story so please bear with me....

On Friday of last week my Mrs started our car after 2 days of it not moving. She drove about 3 miles going to the doctors, nursery and then asda.

As she pulled into asda the car starting making a shrieking noise. She parked it up and went and did the shopping. When she returned she put the kids and shopping in and started the car. It starting making the shrieking noise again and she pulled out of the car parking space, she then found that the power steering didn't work, so she put the car back in it's spot and walked a mile home.

I went down to asda's car park on Saturday morning and started the car myself, it still made the shrieking noise but I noticed that the engine was running well (started first time) so I turned it off (not wanting to do any damage) and looked under the bonnet. I found a belt that was heavily worn so I called the RAC for a tow.

When the RAC arrived I explained the issue and the guy checked the belt and confirmed that it was knackered and told me that it needed a garage to change the belt. he also told me not to start it again as the belt might come off and wrap around the cam belt causing that to come off as well.

He kindly towed me to my local garage where he unhooked me from his van. At this point the mechanic came out (I had previously called and explained that I would be coming) and starting talking to the RAC guy. The RAC guy told him what I have told you and also said 'I wouldn't turn it over if I where you as that belt might come off' at which point the mechanic got in the car turned the engine over, it turned over ok, but didn't start for a second and then started making an out of time noise, like one cylinder was failing.

The mechanic then got out and looked at the RAC bloke and said 'you know what that sound means....'

I then left, asking the garage to call in the next few days to tell me the outcome.

Today, after not hearing form the garage, I called them and was told that the cam belt had come off and the timing was screwed on it. They then said that it was my fault for starting it in the car park. I told them that even the RAC guy told him not to start it and that it was their fault for the the timing being screwed at which point the garage hung up on me.

Now my question,

In your opinion, am I right in guessing that if the garage hadn't tried to start the car and had just looked under the bonnet and seen the damaged belt and changed it first, I wouldn't be this in mess? Or is it likely that when I started the car in asda's car park, the cam belt slipped and damage was caused then? (bearing in mind I noticed no change in the engine's revs, speed or timing)

Oh, the mechanic, is my farther inlaw, who I've always had issues with :(
 
update,

I'm at work, my Mrs is at home with our 3year and 4 week old girls.

She's had her mum on the phone banging on about how I was the one that broke it and I shouldn't have spoken to my farther inlaw that way. (by that, she can only mean by blaming him for the damage)

This is causing a HUGE family dispute as me and my wife aren't rich and certainly can't afford to replace the Laguna that imo, he broke.

/at-wits-end
 
Talk to your wife and get her to sort her Father out? He sounds like a grade A ****.


He's is soo unapproachable that she fears speaking to him about this sort of thing. Generally her Mum is ok (bit of a control freak at times) but she'd sided with her husband on this one.
 
[TW]Fox;17951432 said:
If your wifes Dad is a mechanic surely he'd want to fix his daughters car for free even if it was somebody elses fault :(

tbh, he's never been great at mates-rates. Which I'm not that bothered about. I always just saw it as a garage I could trust even if the pricing wasn't the best.


That is a nightmare, any compromise with the bloke, go half each or something?


Not now no. He's the kinda guy who will hold on to this for a long time. He won't want to help out now as it will show that he's responsible.

This is from the guy who was going to lend us the cash for a deposit (without us asking btw) on a house but decided against it as I posted on facebook that I was trying to convince the Mrs we needed to buy a 3D tv for GT5.
 
According to your account, the RAC inspected under the bonnet and said not to start it as it might cause the cam belt to come off as well. Clearly the cam belt hadn't come off at this point. As it had started to run ok initially when the mechanic turned it on, the cam belt must have been on at this point.

The garage don't have a leg to stand on. Go to trading standards. The mechanic clearly ignored the RAC guy's instruction not to turn over the engine. His actions turned a cheap belt replacement into a catastrophic engine rebuild.

Do you have any details for the RAC guy? He might be able to verify your story.

nearly, I started the car in the car park before the RAC got there, but other wise, yes. And no, I haven't got the details of the guys from RAC :(


OP have you got dad's email address? I might be able to talk some sense into him.

Probably not the best idea for me to give out his details on a public forum. I may issues with the guy, but still. Thanks for the offer thou :)

Hehe, that would cheese me too tbh. Like my mate who got married at great expense to his parents, then they found out he bought a £3k watch like a month after.

context, everything is out of context.
 
Try ringing them, they might be able to help you. They must have a record of your job and who was assigned to it.

Even if they're not allowed to provide you with his details, they might be able to pass your details on to him along with a note to contact you.

good shout. I'll try that now :)
 
Can a cam belt just slip slightly and knock the timing out? or does it have to come off completely for the damage to be done?
 
Stupid question time:

Does anyone care to explain to me how a failed aux belt could cause a timing belt issue?

Every single car I can remember coming across the Aux belt and timing belt are two separate entities with the aux belt on show and the timing belt hidden away underneath the timing cover, right? Now, the only places the two even remotely meet in my mind are at the end of the crankshaft and even then (at least in the case of my Toyotas) the two belts don't share the pulley (aux belt only), so I'm struggling how to see how the aux belt could cause the timing to slip?

The only thing I can think of is some cars having the aux belt and the timing belt running off of the same pulley side by side?

I apologize in advance if I'm missing something simple.


i can go on what i've been told but apperently a aux belt coming off can quite regualy take the cam beth with it as the aux belt can wrap behind it.

I'm waiting for rac to get back to me.

Whatever happens with them makes no difference anyway. Even if they clearly say, starting it at the garage caused the damage he wont do anything about it. That would mean he was wrong and that never happens!

Still, my dad and come up trumps with another car for us.

Christmas is going to be fun, we're supposed to be over at thiers. Think i'll keep hold of my work turkey and stay at home.

Class a douche bag.
 
I'm fully aware that I can only give you my side of this story however I was worried that I'd come to the wrong conclusion myself and was seeking other peoples opinions hence starting this thread. I have 100% truthful expect that I should mention that he is really my wifes step farther. (might go some way to explain a few details..)

But this is a subject that's not talked about in their family as there have been a few incidents where grandparents (my father in laws parents) have wanted pictures of only the real grand children at a family wedding a few years back.

make up your own mind....

Anywho, I'm not a confrontation person (more of a lover than a fighter) so it took a lot for me to even tell him that I thought it was his fault. As for taking him to court, that's not something I'm going to be doing. Even though my wife is on my side and I don't care about MY relationship with him, but I don't want my kids or my wife to suffer.

I currently owe his garage £380 for work completed a few months back (it's this reason that I go back to him, he allows payment at a later time with no interest) so I'm thinking of giving him the car and drawing a line under the whole thing. My only problem is that I don't know how much damage has been caused so don't know what it'll take to fix it.

It could be that the timing has slipped only slightly so thee's no real damage done, just need re-aligning. if that's the case I'm giving him a profit as he'll be able to turn it round quickly and sell it.
 
Mate i gave them a 0% mortgage that they couldnt manage to repay when they bought their house, then she invented an argument to avoid paying, if it wasnt for my wife they would be living in a skip.

Dont feel bad you cant pick family.


harsh, although that sounds more like you haven't spoken to them in 10 years, not they haven't spoken to you.....
 
Laguna, post #7.

You're not going to get anywhere without evidence, and tbh even if the RAC man makes a statement, from what you've said I doubt he will be able to categorically say one way or the other, since it appears the RAC never saw the car with its engine running prior to the mechanic starting it. You're stuffed basically by the sounds of it.

I agree that asking the RAC is a nonstarter in terms of convincing him it wasn’t me that did the damage. It’s purely for my peace of mind.

So you think I did the damage?

Doesn’t it sound reasonable that even if the cam had slipped during the tow to the garage, that he shouldn’t of tried starting it just in case it had indeed slipped?


Ok, so firstly, regardless that he is your father in law... In his shoes I wouldn't be best pleased if you owed me £380 and hadn’t paid it back. Especially if you have the cash to buy gt5.

An agreement was made that I would repay the full amount at the end of the year as I have loads of overtime from work due in Decembers pay.

GT5 was accorded via my work (along with a few other items) that is paid for monthly starting in January.

I can't believe that he would truly have the malice to intentionally start the car to cause more damage.

My take? There are clearly underlying issues with you and this guy. You were crazy to take the car there if you thought he was capable of being a douche, but equally it sounds like you need to sort your priorities out and pay him what you already owe before considering any other expenditure other than the absolute essentials.

I doubt the RAC will get involved once they know your related.

I’m not for one moment suggesting that he did it on purpose. Although we have issues, I wouldn’t believe that he’d do such a thing, regardless of what he thinks of me.



If this was me, I’d take the Moral High Ground and ask him to fix it.

Then start paying everything back.

If it’s got this far down the line without being resolved, it won’t get resolved overnight, and you need your car back.

Its only money at the end of the day, there's plenty more where that came from. Yes it’s a lot that you can't afford right now, but it’s not like you'll never have any ever again, just give him it and you can take the moral high ground and look the better person.


Although my better side likes this approach, If I was going to have the car fixed, it’ll be by someone less and NOT at his garage. (ever again.)


Sod the moral high ground he owes the bloke money already.

Either go in there and offer him 50 quid a week to fix this and add on what you already owe him, or if you can’t face doing that take it somewhere else.

I can’t see what difference it makes who is at fault, he don’t like you so he aint going to fix it free now anyway.


I was never asking for him to do the job for free. I was simply asking him to repair the damage that he had caused. I was quite happy to pay for parts and labour on the aux belt that needed replacing but I feel cheated that I’d have to pay for his mistake. Plus the fact that when I spoke to him it was all ‘when you started it’, ‘you shouldn’t have’ and so on.

The only thing that I can relate this to is that if he had called me and asked me to fix his computer (something I've done many, many times and built them a couple of website all with free hosting all for nothing) which sparked when pressing the power button and he told me 'i've been told that spark might blow the mobo' I wouldn't then go 'oh, ok.' and press the button to see for myself. I'd fix/replace the button and go from there.
 
It doesn't matter who's right or wrong, the car is broke and requires fixing or replacing. Personally I'd thank him for his help and offer he keeps the car in lieu of the £380 plus any costs he has already incurred and go out and buy another car

That's my thinking.

I've got some bonds that we where given when we got married last year. we were hoping to keep them to put towards a deposit but having a car is way more important at the moment.
 
Well dont go, that ones easy solved.

Yeah... you try tell my wife that....

plus my 3year old loves it over at grandma's and i imo, Christmas is for the kids anyway so I really don't want to ruin that.

I suppose I could stay at home while she takes them over for a few hours, get a bit of gaming on chrimbo morning in :)
 
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