Am i the only one that thinks this is insulting?

SiD the Turtle said:
Its called handover
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That i know, but If i had resigned I wouldn't mind doing this, but its the fact that I haven't and they still want me to do it. I don't owe the company anything. I'm not even employed by them, I'm contracted by a job agency I could walk out now and they wouldn't be able to anything
 
Isn't this the one where you haven't lost the job, you were on a temporary contract that had the option to become permanant that the company didn't take?

It sounds to me like you're reading far too much into this decision, you haven't been made redundant, your contract was not extended in favour of someone they believed was more suited. Unless you've specifically been told they don't feel you could do the job (and I don't remember that being the case from the other thread) then you're seemingly wanting to make up reasons/justifications for the situation that may not apply.

It's far more likely (again, unless you've specifically been advised otherwise, and I'd imagine if that was the case they'd have dismissed you immediately or paid you in leiu of notice) that your job performance was fine, but they believe the new canditate to be better, or have more potential. In that situation, requesting that you show the new guys the ropes is perfectly acceptable.
 
Phate said:
I was told they are getting rif of me because this next person has qualifications and I don't, which is irevelent if i can do the job and i get good reviews from everyone
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Well speak to someone who knows about employment law because that sounds suspiciously like unfair dismissal. I'm under the impression they have to demonstrate why your replacement fulfills the job role to a greater degree than you.

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/n6w/index/life/employment.htm

edit: It appears this is now irrelevant. Whats the point in asking for advice if you're withholding important facts?
 
Phate said:
That i know, but If i had resigned I wouldn't mind doing this, but its the fact that I haven't and they still want me to do it. I don't owe the company anything. I'm not even employed by them, I'm contracted by a job agency I could walk out now and they wouldn't be able to anything
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so do it. walk out, tell you agency to find you something else. screw em.
 
Tru said:
Well speak to someone who knows about employment law because that sounds suspiciously like unfair dismissal. I'm under the impression they have to demonstrate why your replacement fulfills the job role to a greater degree than you.

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/n6w/index/life/employment.htm
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Not for a temp employed by an agency they don't. They could tell him to go today without giving a reason at all if they wanted to. He doesn't work for the company in question anyway.
 
Phate, it might be unfair depending on how you look at it, but its still gonna happen. I'd advise putting your efforts into finding a new job rather than anything else.

I'm sure that the agency like you and will find you something soon anyway
 
I would be going straight to a union rep mate, because that sounds totally off. The only way they could possssibly get away with it is if you where on 6 months probation or something.
The thing with the reference, AFAIK companies are not allowed to give you a bad reference, i may be wrong. What they can do is give you a minimum refference, i have seen one of 'This person worked with the company for x years' before lol
But even if they give you a glowing reference, whoever you go for a new job is going to say 'They give you a good reference, yet they got rid of you, eh?'
I would tell them you wont train them and you are going to speak to a union about it.

edit, after seeing replies since i posted -
i take it all back, you where on a temp contract, suck it up or feel unwell that week
 
The_TailGunner said:
so do it. walk out, tell you agency to find you something else. screw em.
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Not a good idea, for a mere weeks worth of swallowing ego. The agency will care how you represent them to the company, so playing spoiled child will put the agency's back up
 
cleanbluesky said:
For the sake of the ranters in this thread, he was on a temporary contract and the job was put up for interview as a permenant position. They chose someone else.
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ahhh...that makes more sense than a company blatantly breaking employment laws...

in which case, just walk out and sod em.
 
cleanbluesky said:
For the sake of the ranters in this thread, he was on a temporary contract and the job was put up for interview as a permenant position. They chose someone else.
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Beat me to it.

You are still required to perform any reasonable request when you're employed by the company. If you don't, as you're a temp they'll just get rid of you even sooner. Handover needs to get done, so be a bigger man and do it. Don't take your frustrations out on the new guy, it's not his fault and he doesn't deserve to get shoved in at the deep end by you refusing to help him out.
 
Dolph said:
Not for a temp employed by an agency they don't. They could tell him to go today without giving a reason at all if they wanted to. He doesn't work for the company in question anyway.
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Yeah, the thread advanced as I was typing that reply. :)
 
Didnt you apply for the job ? aswell?

anyway now that all the info is here, its a pain but fair enough.
 
In the light of the job being a contract, I don't see the issue.

There are many reasons why companies use agency/contract staff, but it's usually an expensive way of getting a job done long-term. So, it'll usually either be a short-term requirement, or a stop-gap measure while long-term needs are sorted out. Sometimes, it's just a stop-gap while permanent recruitment is done.

In either case, I don't see how a contractor has either grounds to complain or a need to feel insulted. I don't see how it's any personal reflection. The company just now needs a permanent staffer, and found someone that, for whatever reason, suits the role better.

That's the whole point of contract - no commitment. And it usually suits contractors, too. If it doesn't, stop contracting.

Phate, I can see you're upset, but from an impartial distance, I can't see why. If it really gets to you, don't do it. You are, after all, contract, so don't have to do things you don't wish to. But, if you drop the company in it by being awkward, I'd guess you can kiss goodbye to any goodwill, and with it, a reference. Is it worth it?

I can't see it as insulting, or indeed, any personal reflection on you at all. In my view, do the training and move on to the next contract.
 
helpimcrap said:
tell em to stick it.

they cant give you a bad reference apparently.
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If he's contract, they don't need to give him a reference at all.

And employers certainly can give a bad reference, provided it's honest, fair and balanced. Most don't, because it can lead to all sorts of trouble, and it's generally not worth the hassle, but if they've got the neccesary grounds and backup, they certainly can.
 
this is pretty normal for temporary contracts as far as i know. Happened to a couple of my friends. Just do it for the reference and concentrate on finding something better :)
 
helpimcrap said:
tell em to stick it.

they cant give you a bad reference apparently.
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Personally, i'd just do it. While you may not receive a bad reference, you can still receive one which does you no favours
 
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