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am2 price cuts are sneaking out now.

to be honest, if amd can get anti hyperthreading to work in any kind of way in most current games a dual core x2 will wipe the floor with any conroe at pretty much any speed. but then as more PROPER dual core using games, that can actually if needed use the whole two cores, then the conroe should be faster again.

the question is, if anti hyperthreading isn't just a rumour and can work, can it work across 4 cores on two cpu's? if it can then say you could get a 4x4 am2 board for £200, 2 x2 3800+'s for £120 each, and any game can use all 4 cores fairly easily then conroe is just not going to be anywhere close. my betting is anti hyperthreading might not work very well, probably couldn't work across 2 cpu's(at least without massive latency penalties having to talk to each other so much) and for now and a while conroe will be the chip to have. mainly due to the fact that 4x4 boards seem to be maybe at best being very early in production stage and a few months away from release.
 
Super Tigers said:
Not too sure about skt 939, but socket AM2 is were the best price drops will be because AMD wants people to switch sockets. Skt 939 is dead in the water, production has ceased on all the x2 products and is now End of line.

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Yeah, Gibbo was saying something along those lines last week.

If Socket 939 is being phased out and the most substantial price drops will be on Socket AM2, it's better just to get Conroe as you will still need a new mobo and DDR2 RAM either way.
 
conroe is fast but at this current moment in time i don;t really see the need for me to spend more cash since my opteron is quite fast at all the things i do so i will stick to it till the end of next year.

then again if a cheapo x2 cpu is around i may just pay the little cash and do a simple upgrade to dual core.
 
If the 4600+ AM2 goes down to something like £125 - £135, I may just be tempted to go with AMD instead of Conroe, considering I could pick up a relatively cheap AM2 board to go with it rather than a pricey Intel board that supports Conroe. I'd prefer a Core 2 Duo E6300, but I'll have to see how the overall cost of CPU/Mobo/RAM pans out.
 
bbreezeuk said:
is anyone going to buy a cheap X2 or are most of you lot going over to conroe as it seems i am the only one waiting for the amd price drop
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No, there are plenty of people. Probably mostly upgraders. It's clear-cut to me - my CPU upgrade choice is an A64 X2 or a S775 m/b + Core 2 + DDR2. The price/performance level is extremely strongly in favour of A64 X2 under those circumstances.

For a new system, if Conroe-compliant motherboards become available at reasonable prices, I'd go with Core 2. The price differences on the CPUs are unlikely to be significant in comparison with the cost of a complete PC.
 
drunkenmaster said:
to be honest, if amd can get anti hyperthreading to work in any kind of way in most current games a dual core x2 will wipe the floor with any conroe at pretty much any speed. but then as more PROPER dual core using games, that can actually if needed use the whole two cores, then the conroe should be faster again.

the question is, if anti hyperthreading isn't just a rumour and can work, can it work across 4 cores on two cpu's? if it can then say you could get a 4x4 am2 board for £200, 2 x2 3800+'s for £120 each, and any game can use all 4 cores fairly easily then conroe is just not going to be anywhere close. my betting is anti hyperthreading might not work very well, probably couldn't work across 2 cpu's(at least without massive latency penalties having to talk to each other so much) and for now and a while conroe will be the chip to have. mainly due to the fact that 4x4 boards seem to be maybe at best being very early in production stage and a few months away from release.
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"Anti-hyperthreading" is core multiplexing. It can work. It does work on some systems already. It only works well enough in limited circumstances because the overhead involved in making it work is very high. Even on a single dual-core CPU. Essentially, it's faking a single thread as two threads, on the fly, and feeding one to each core. That's not going to work well.
 
=assassin= said:
If the 4600+ AM2 goes down to something like £125 - £135, I may just be tempted to go with AMD instead of Conroe, considering I could pick up a relatively cheap AM2 board to go with it rather than a pricey Intel board that supports Conroe. I'd prefer a Core 2 Duo E6300, but I'll have to see how the overall cost of CPU/Mobo/RAM pans out.
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Same here, except im looking at the E6400 just for that extra multiplier.
 
=assassin= said:
If the 4600+ AM2 goes down to something like £125 - £135, I may just be tempted to go with AMD instead of Conroe, considering I could pick up a relatively cheap AM2 board to go with it rather than a pricey Intel board that supports Conroe. I'd prefer a Core 2 Duo E6300, but I'll have to see how the overall cost of CPU/Mobo/RAM pans out.
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Unless you have ddr2 ram already you will need that for conroe and am2, so you might aswell pay a few extra quid and get conroe tbh.
 
yes if a full platform change is required then just get conroe. amd should have stuck to s939 and cheapo cpus like x2 starting at 100 quid would really have put a dent in intels conroe uptake.

amd made the mistake this time changing platforms when they have no viable cpu to compete with conroe. so people will think why change mobo ram and cpu to socket am2 when you can go to conroe for the same price. :confused:
 
Unfortunalty for AMD, this 'hyped-rumoured' anti-hyperthreading(silly name), may already be part of Conroe, several people have found beta bios's which include an option for Core Multiplexing.

So if AMD enable it, so will Intel. Neither company has an advantage on that technology.
 
Jabbs said:
Unless you have ddr2 ram already you will need that for conroe and am2, so you might aswell pay a few extra quid and get conroe tbh.
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Core 2 Duo seems less dependant on RAM speed/latency from the benchmarks, so I figured I may be able to get away with cheaper DDR2 667Mhz, whereas the AM2's will probably need DDR2 800MHz to get any decent performance from, or so I figure.
 
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