why do people care so much about 10 more frames/second in games already running at like 60+, theres absolutely no difference visually and people who say there is are just trying to justify why there computer is better than everybody elses. im very tempted to stick with AMD since all intel rigs i've use are heaps of crap that generate too much heat and don't do anything fast enough to make me say 'wow', im convinced conroe won't make me say 'wow' at anytime either, 60,000 in 3D mark, IMO theres no difference between 60 and 65 frames/second in 99% of games, so conroe isn't bringing anything shockingly good to the table. (please no conroe fanboys giving me any grief about this at all, its an opinion, just like yours, nothing more and nothing less)