AM4 or AM5?

[Deleted member 209350]

I know that its probably far too early to answer this question, but if you were looking to upgrade to Zen3 next year, possibly the last AM4 iteration - would it be worth it?

Or is it better to just hold off another year and wait for AM5

 

[Curlyriff]

Tbh I have been on about upgrading for months and months from my i7 4790k to Ryzen but am honestly trying to hold out for PCIE 5.0, DDR5, AM5, 5nm cause I don't see it being another jump after that for a good number of years.

With that I could see the system lasting long enough as my current has. Since you are already on AM4 though then I can see the final AM4 chip making sense as upgrade if the BIOS allows on Mobo.

 

[TNA]

Depends on your situation. The answer to this question would be different for everyone.

I nearly waited myself as my 4770K at 4.7GHz was still plenty good for my needs. But I did not fancy waiting another 2 years to upgrade and fancied something new after over 6 years with my 4770K.

Besides it only cost me a little over £200 to upgrade after selling of my old mobo, cpu and ram, which is good considering I got a X570 board which has PCIE 4 that even Intel don't have yet

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Depends on your situation. The answer to this question would be different for everyone

Yup I decided to jump because a) I'm being pushed onto Win 10 shortly and b) my current mobo is dying bit by bit (USB 3.1 chipset failed recently). The i7 4790k is still going strong but sourcing replacement parts is tricky as its salvage only and reliability is questionable at best I figure its better to jump before the ship sinks entirely (not to mention spending £100+ on a well used motherboard is absurd.)

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Interesting viewpoints, im current only AM4 with the Ryzen 2600 - Im in no rush to upgrade but I do feel ill benefit massively by going to a zen3 - But then Im sure im can hold out and id rather go for a full build with AM5 instead of just a mini upgrade with zen3

Its a tough one for sure, but I feel like the 5700x is going to be something ridiculous, let alone the 5900x or the 5950x

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Tbh I have been on about upgrading for months and months from my i7 4790k to Ryzen but am honestly trying to hold out for PCIE 5.0, DDR5, AM5, 5nm cause I don't see it being another jump after that for a good number of years.

With that I could see the system lasting long enough as my current has. Since you are already on AM4 though then I can see the final AM4 chip making sense as upgrade if the BIOS allows on Mobo.

I guess the question is - do you actually need to upgrade

Im sure most people dont need to upgrade anything at this point as their systems are running fine, its more a case of wanting to upgrade and being a little too impatient

 

[tombomb]

Depends on your situation. The answer to this question would be different for everyone.

I nearly waited myself as my 4770K at 4.7GHz was still plenty good for my needs. But I did not fancy waiting another 2 years to upgrade and fancied something new after over 6 years with my 4770K.

Besides it only cost me a little over £200 to upgrade after selling of my old mobo, cpu and ram, which is good considering I got a X570 board which has PCIE 4 that even Intel don't have yet

did you get much fps performance gains in games though?

 

[TNA]

did you get much fps performance gains in games though?

None whatsoever. But I was not expecting any, well was hoping, but it would be magical because no game was cpu limited for me at 4k on my 4770K. I just
see the cpu running around 20% or less usually. Only time it is a bit more is when loading a level or something.

Only game I saw a benefit on it Ashes of a Singularity Escalation in DX12 mode when benchmarking. Lol.

But I knew this would be the case going in. 4K is severely GPU limited. Would need a lot more power than a 2080 Ti has to offer to get to point where you need more cpu speed.

 

[MegaPinches]

Better off waiting for AM6....or 7

 

[Joxeon]

Upgrade now and sell the old parts while they still going for a good price and you will upgrade at Very little cost

B450 £90
Ryzen 5 3600 £185
16gb ram £80

£355

Then just flip it again in 2 years when am5 is out or maybe even Intel will have something by then.

 

[EsaT]

Interesting viewpoints, im current only AM4 with the Ryzen 2600 - Im in no rush to upgrade but I do feel ill benefit massively by going to a zen3 - But then Im sure im can hold out and id rather go for a full build with AM5 instead of just a mini upgrade with zen3

Zen3 would likely be quite nice overall upgrade from Zen+ with "cumulative" performance increase on top of Zen2.
Because it won't be Zen+ like small tweak.

As for AM5 platform one big initial question is going to be memory prices.
I'm sure DRAM cartel is going to use any excuse for pumping prices high.

Then just flip it again in 2 years when am5 is out or maybe even Intel will have something by then.

Well, Intel might even have awesome 12 core Skylake out in 21...
With twice the number of security patches to cover ever increasing number of vulnerabilities.
Because it looks like Intel might have to struggle with their 14nm+++++++ Skylake rebrand XYZs until maybe even 22.
https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-mobile-cpu-roadmap-leak-14nm-comet-lake-10nm-ice-lake-tiger-lake/

 

[Steveocee]

Better off waiting for AM6....or 7

I've heard 8 is where it's at.

 

[sideways14a]

I am holding out till Zen3 i think.
Dont need to upgrade as a 4.5Ghz 5820k and 1080ti are still doing the biz well - want to do 12 cores at least next year just because... well we can.

 

[TrM]

these type of question never really get asked on intel threads lots of people have gone out and brought intel cpu's on a dead platform. we all know that intel will bring out a new cpu 10 series within next 6 months and will require a new socket.

intel also changed the socket to a v2 for the 800/9000 series but people allways flock to them why is ok on intel but bad for amd)

but in all honestly though the 3000 series cpu is really really good and we still have 1 more upgrade on am4 socket so currently amd are like intel within 2 gens its will be upgraded. but the 3000 series cpu really is a nice step up for amd and you sould really concider getting one atm you will not regreat it

 

[Curlyriff]

I guess the question is - do you actually need to upgrade

Im sure most people dont need to upgrade anything at this point as their systems are running fine, its more a case of wanting to upgrade and being a little too impatient

Partly, I could do with my GPU tbh as on a 4k monitor, however having been on that for 5 years I would currently rather go 1440p/144hz if I was to upgrade now.

Going from there though a full new system seems sensible rather than upgrade item by item at this stage, and so going on that view might as well wait so that don't feel like missing out on what appears to be a pretty solid change that will last similar amount of time with possibly only GPU upgrades for a number of years then.

 

[LePhuronn]

What you also need to consider is Intel traditionally switch out the motherboard with every CPU generation. AMD have spoiled us with such longevity on AM4, almost to the point we've taken it for granted (which is why there's so many tears about Threadripper 3 requiring a new motherboard). Jumping onto Zen 3 next year does mean it's the last generation of AM4 so any future upgrades will require all new kit, but how is that any different to what Intel have foisted upon us?

 

[Zeeflyboy]

Have AMD actually confirmed any sort of longevity plans for AM5?

We kind of assume that AM5 will last a few generations of CPU as that's what AM4 did, but unless AMD actually confirm that's their intention AM5 could well be Zen4 only then Zen5 comes to AM6 intel style.

I think that you should just buy when you need/want the upgrade unless there is something literally right around the corner. There will always be the prospect of something better next year or the year after etc etc. Let's be honest a Zen 3 based system will be incredibly capable for many years, and unless you got straight to the top SKU (4950X?) you still have upgrade paths available even though the socket moves on...

 

[Panos]

Have AMD actually confirmed any sort of longevity plans for AM5?

We kind of assume that AM5 will last a few generations of CPU as that's what AM4 did, but unless AMD actually confirm that's their intention AM5 could well be Zen4 only then Zen5 comes to AM6 intel style.

I think that you should just buy when you need/want the upgrade unless there is something literally right around the corner. There will always be the prospect of something better next year or the year after etc etc. Let's be honest a Zen 3 based system will be incredibly capable for many years, and unless you got straight to the top SKU (4950X?) you still have upgrade paths available even though the socket moves on...

No. Only that sTRX4 will live for long time only.

I know that its probably far too early to answer this question, but if you were looking to upgrade to Zen3 next year, possibly the last AM4 iteration - would it be worth it?

Or is it better to just hold off another year and wait for AM5

AM5 is 2y away by the way and that would require a huge investment because doubt DDR5 ram would come cheap. Also first AM5 boards would be same with 300 series. Massively outdated from their second gen counterparts (2022). So you are looking a good 3 years wait with the 2600?

 

[Curlyriff]

Have AMD actually confirmed any sort of longevity plans for AM5?

We kind of assume that AM5 will last a few generations of CPU as that's what AM4 did, but unless AMD actually confirm that's their intention AM5 could well be Zen4 only then Zen5 comes to AM6 intel style.

I think that you should just buy when you need/want the upgrade unless there is something literally right around the corner. There will always be the prospect of something better next year or the year after etc etc. Let's be honest a Zen 3 based system will be incredibly capable for many years, and unless you got straight to the top SKU (4950X?) you still have upgrade paths available even though the socket moves on...

For me it's not so much socket but DDR5 and PCIE 5.0 and GPU and NVME hopefully to match. Seems silly to buy into DDR4 for 18 months and PCIE 4.0 which looks like it will be short lived.

I cant see RAM going DDR6 super quick so then just hoping for new mobo/CPU if really needed later on.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

No. Only that sTRX4 will live for long time only.


AM5 is 2y away by the way and that would require a huge investment because doubt DDR5 ram would come cheap. Also first AM5 boards would be same with 300 series. Massively outdated from their second gen counterparts (2022). So you are looking a good 3 years wait with the 2600?

yeah true, Im thinking it might be best to do a mini upgrade with Zen3 (i.e just upgrade the CPU) and then when AM5 comes out I can do the full shabang in 2-3 years time